User talk:Xporc/Archive03

Archived : 07 / 15 / 2018

Account trouble

Hi Xporc. I'm having trouble recovering my old account. I'm currently using this new one from Twitch. I tried to post in the forum, but because it is a new account, it won't allow me to post links. Could you approve it again? My old account was Medievaldragon. I am posting links to the BlizzCon 2017 panel transcripts. blizzplanetcom (talk) 5:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I myself can't do anything, but I asked the upper admins if they could do anything. Sorry for the delay :( Xporc (talk) 10:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey man, if you still have problems, could you mail [email protected]? It's the quickest way to get that resolved. Xporc (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

That sounds like the abuse filters at work. You just need to make a handful of edits (~5) and then it won't flag you when you try to add links. Let me know if you still have issues after that! --

Alianin T • C 21:43, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

KABOOOM

[Mortarer's Whistle] --Mordecay (talk) 00:21, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Mmh, thanks. On the other hand, since the item was cut before release, is the name really OK to use? Maybe it would have been updated to something else ... The only reference I could find about "mortarers" after a quick search on Google seemed to be Valkyria Chronicles-related (the first one was bretty good BTW) Xporc (talk) 00:29, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Lul was looking just wowhead and didn't occur to check here. I did not notice it got removed :DD --Mordecay (talk) 00:31, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Naga time

Isn't Valishj (and naga using similar models) a siren instead of a sea witch? --Mordecay (talk) 20:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Several of these "siren" models are actually called "sea witches" anyway, like the Sira'kess Sea Witch. Plus Valishj is called a "priestess" (priestess of the tides?) and have mage powers, which fit the sea witch template rather well... Xporc (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh, should have looked at mobs. Probably add a note about the models and that they use of freeze spells like described in the RPG? --Mordecay (talk) 01:30, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Oki doki. Xporc (talk) 10:26, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

1.5 year old delete requests

You don't really need to comment on delete requests that have been opened for 1.5 years. Just close them. --Celellach (talk) 12:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't always have the time to do things immediately, man Xporc (talk) 12:14, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Plus a margin of at least 3 votes is necessary for a vote to be closing down. Xporc (talk) 15:24, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

That is just stupid. If a vote does not have any traffic it should be closed with "no consensus". Some common sense is needed, as after a while the vote itself and the arguments for and against may be (and usually are) irreverent anymore. The policy for a vote should be something reasonable, something like a maximum of 30 days from last vote cast, before the vote is closed by an admin. I'm sure Wikipedia has something better worded and more thoroughly thought out. --Celellach (talk) 16:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a lot higher traffic site with much higher editor involvement so using their requirements won't work here. --Pcj (T•C) 16:47, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Again, 1.5 years open vote discussion does not help anyone and is basically a "no consensus" - its not a no and its not a yes. Closing it formaly as this means everyone knows its been closed and the nominator can try again with another vote at a different time. The current state of things makes no sense (also no need to take what Wikipedia did, this can be modified to fit wowpedia. I think 30 days from last vote is plenty of enough time even with our traffic). --Celellach (talk) 16:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

You can propose a change to the voting policy, but I see no reason to make such a change. The default for a no consensus vote is no action anyway. Closing the vote wouldn't have any real effect. If a user thinks they could get consensus maybe they should just move forward with the edit and stir up some opinions that way. Admins can obviously use their judgment to delete whatever they want with or without consensus, they're not really bound to a vote (though of course if they flagrantly go against consensus there'll be trouble). --Pcj (T•C) 17:04, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, it's also only recently that a big effort was started to clean up the various "Things to do" categories. There are almost no more articles being candidates for a move or a deletion, no more broken redirects, no more double redirects, etc. Some of these were old by months or even years. Soon it should be easier for users to be able to find out where their input is needed. Xporc (talk) 17:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Mail

Hey, any idea why I'm no longer being notified by email when someone edits pages in my watchlist ? Notif settings seem fine. http://i.imgur.com/DL4Yp9t.png -- MyMindWontQuiet 22:46, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe you receive so much emails that your mail provider has flagged wowpedia has a spam address? Xporc (talk) 22:48, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Lol. --Mordecay (talk) 22:48, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Checked, not spam =/ -- MyMindWontQuiet 23:29, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

None of those notification settings involves your watchlist. --Pcj (T•C) 22:50, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Here it says notifs are enabled http://i.imgur.com/Os1igfl.png http://i.imgur.com/bDpVXTi.png but the last notif I received is from 23h ago. -- MyMindWontQuiet 23:29, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

After resetting the parameters, looks like it's fixed. -- MyMindWontQuiet 20:03, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Isles

Hey, just so you know that removing the WC3 bit on the BI article was not intended, though thanks for fixing it before I did -- MyMindWontQuiet 01:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Planet pictures

The Azeroth images are from an in game screenshot I took and an edit of the shot in the Argus cinematic. Blue kronos (talk) 10:47, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I don't know if you've noticed, but when they were fanart I added a proper tag to them. Xporc (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Captain Fareeya

Stop changing the page, I have been told by a WoW GM that she is an Eredar. I've reopened the ticket so i can get a picture of proof. Seriously just because you think you are right does not mean you are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Death storm91 (talk · contr).

Please discuss this there. There's no need to multiply the discussion areas. Also, don't forget to sign your post by writing "~~~~" at the end of it. Xporc (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

{{Move}} on category pages

Please use {{c2c}} on category pages instead of {{move}}. --PcjWowpedia admin (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 19:02, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Alright, sorry! Xporc (talk) 19:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

TCG characters

Hey, boss, what do you think about creating a TCG characters category for characters that only appeared in the TCG? --Mordecay (talk) 19:50, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

That would be a great idea, my loyal minion. But why stop at only appearing in the TCG? People in the class halls that began as TCG characters first should also be tagged. Xporc (talk) 19:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking that since RPG characters that later appeared in canon (such as Frost King Malakk & Samedi) don't have the RPG characters category, although I can see the categories of their source RPG books there, which seems odd given how we have, for example Category:War Crimes characters, meaning the categories of canon and non-canon books are not consistent regarding the "characters" part.

Now that it is created I will start adding it to them, my lord. --Mordecay (talk) 20:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Since I see that u have been adding the TCG category to NPC that are in the game and in the tcg, so any opinion about the TCG and RPG characters categories? --Mordecay (talk) 15:31, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

For TCG characters I added the category because they appeared in the TCG first, and were then added in WoW second. Since I believe Blizzard had very little input about the TCG, I think this means that the WoW characters were created after the TCG ones. For RPG characters I think Blizzard had a lot more input, so I'm not sure it's necessary to add the "RPG character" tag to every character that appeared in the RPG first, like Lady Prestor or Bolvar Fordragon. Characters like Herezegor Flametusk are a more interesting case tho, since it's possible they were created in WoW after appearing first in the RPG. But these cases are not many... Xporc (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

No idea what input there from Blizz for TCG was. Ok, this seems logical. Herezegor, two loa from WoD, the Throne ice troll, a Trollbane, and one or two red dragons in Twilight Highlands come to mind regarding "from RPG to WoW". --Mordecay (talk) 15:48, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

There's also this guy. Xporc (talk) 17:22, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I just realized that Warcraft RPG actually predates WoW! There may be more characters like Leyan. --Mordecay (talk) 17:33, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Lands of Conflict released before WoW, and Lands of Mystery released before Northrend did. These South Sea islands were pretty nice at the time... I think the Bilgewater Cartel was mentioned in it, too Xporc (talk) 17:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Yep, it was. --Mordecay (talk) 17:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Well turns out I was wrong, Blizzard did have some oversight over the TCG! Xporc (talk) 07:27, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Muln Earthfury also predates the Shaman manga and Cata with Dark Factions. --Mordecay (talk) 22:32, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Non-attackable mobs/NPCs

It's something I've encountered from time to time. NPCs that "appear" hostile, but cannot be attacked or otherwise interacted with. Do we treat them as NPCs but mark set their aggro to "-1", or as mobs as they are "just" mobs that can't be attacked, but mention this in notes? Another such case is the Emblazoned Fire Tamer and the older Sul'lithuz Hatchling. PeterWind (talk) 11:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea... didn't knew there were more like them Xporc (talk) 12:14, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Personally I prefer marking them as NPCs but setting their aggro to "-1" but someone may come up with a better alternative. PeterWind (talk) 12:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

A word from Blizzard

Alright, I'm not sure where's the best place to share this, so... Matt Burns and I have been exchanging some emails, and here are what he has to say to the wowpedia people:

"Also, I just wanted to say THANK YOU for all the work you and others do on the wowpedia site. I’m in awe of how much information you guys have to juggle!"

So there you have it guys, words of love straight from Blizzard :p Xporc (talk) 18:32, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Aww well that's nice :) PeterWind (talk) 19:54, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Tell him they need to figure out what dragons are and that they are not birds. --Pcj (T•C) 19:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

No I won't, you grump! Xporc (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Warcraft III patch notes

Regarding Warcraft III patch information, some patches are just too long and would make the article unbearable. I was thinking to handle it with each patch on its own page just like World of Warcraft patches, though differently or using a spoiler which could have its cons. What do you think how this should be handled? — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 19:51, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Maybe you could simply use the Warcraft III patch information/1.28.6, Warcraft III patch information/1.28.5 and so on pagenames? And have matching {{Main|Warcraft III patch information/1.28.6}} templates from the main one. Xporc (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like an idea. Though only doing this to the ones that are too long, while short ones can remain. Thank you! — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 20:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Ship

Hi there, is it stated that the Vindicaar is a dimensional ship ? -- MyMindWontQuiet 17:27, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

The definition what exactly a dimensional ship is is extremely vague. The Vindicaar is a draenei spacecraft, built after naaru technology, so it fits the bill Xporc (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Built from scraps of an out of use, crashed ship. Since we don't know whether or not it actually can phase between Nether and Great Dark, and the fact that it doesn't even have a naaru powersource, I'd rather we don't make assumptions and we keep to what is stated. -- MyMindWontQuiet 18:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

The Age of Galakrond

Hey, just wanted to let you know about this: The Age of Galakrond and The Age of Galakrond (item) have totally different reasons they exist. The item page is about the item that was actually added, but removed before while the other one is for the lore on the book itself. Category:Tomes can be found on the one with the lore. Sole purpose was to keep Removed from ~~beta~~ alpha and beta stuff out so people know the lore itself is infact there... true... whatever. :D — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 14:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

I know, after you reverted my change I started thinking about why would one do that :D Xporc (talk) 15:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Youtube icon

Is it just me or is this file not loading at all: File:Icon-youtube-22x22.png File:Icon-youtube-22x22.png (the file should load next to the file name)? — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 04:35, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Works for me. PeterWind (talk) 06:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Same. Xporc (talk) 08:34, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

This is very odd. I'm not sure why. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 08:56, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Try on a different browser than the one you normally use ? If it works, maybe clear the former's cache or update it. -- MyMindWontQuiet 12:58, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Also try hitting this url and seeing if that helps/fixes it: https://wow.gamepedia.com/media/wow.gamepedia.com/5/5d/Icon-youtube-22x22.png?version=0e29c8dbdb285f249316d9e7a667e597 --

Alianin T • C 13:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't show in firefox, but works in chrome for me. Opening Alianin's url in firefox shows the icon. --Mordecay (talk) 14:01, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Just like Mordecay, but switched. Works in Firefox, not in Chrome. Loads direct link fine though, just not on the Wiki. Cleared cache and everything. I'll figure this out, thanks all! — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 19:08, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Blight Boar & Crown

The page says they are Forsaken and the Crowns are hinted to be former members of the R.A.S, thus the Forsaken. --Mordecay (talk) 12:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Well clearly the Crown goons have no problem attacking their former comrades, so can they still be considered loyal to the Forsaken faction? It's the same question for any undead that isn't Horde-affiliated. Honestly, 99% of the people that were moved from "Forsaken" (or "Forsaken characters") to "Undead characters" were probably reborn as Forsaken undead to begin with, but since being a Forsaken is both a faction and a race eeeeeeh Xporc (talk) 13:02, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Was referring to the |race=Forsaken change. --Mordecay (talk) 13:10, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

That couuuuld be a solution, to keep them in the "Undead characters" category but to have their race as Forsaken. Still, I wonder if we simply shouldn't put all the undead of the category in the Forsaken category besides those that have been proven to have been raised by necromancy not affiliated to the Forsaken. Xporc (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Felsaber

Hey there champ, I think Felsaber just counts as a mount and not an ability like the death charger, no ? -- MyMindWontQuiet 11:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I fixed it. Xporc (talk) 11:21, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Giant

Hey there, I feel like the Half-giant article is useless (only 1.5 canon line) and purely/mostly speculation. That 1 line is based on the (false) assumption that "half-giant" means that vrykul are half something and half giant, which is not true. Vrykul being "half-giant" refers to their size. So not only are "half-giants" as a race not a thing, but as I said all the rest is speculation so I feel like it could just be a subsection of Giant instead of having its own article. What do you think ? -- MyMindWontQuiet 16:49, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Is there a source stating that "half-giant" refers to their size? As far as I'm aware we haven't received any official confirmation on what being a "half-giant" actually means, be it parentage or physical size. --

DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 16:54, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

It can't be parentage. Vrykul are not half-breeds of human + something else, so they are not literally half-giants, as in "descending on one side from giants". -- MyMindWontQuiet 19:32, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Right, I'm not disputing that, but we don't have anything officially stating that "half-giant" is referring to their size either. Just off the top of my head, it could also refer to them sharing an ancestry with giants (as in, both vrykul and giants are titan-forged), or of them being created by giants (since the aesir and vanir are directly called "giants" in one of the artifact lore tomes, I forget which). --

DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 19:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

They don't share an ancestry with giants though. Vrykul are a completely different model produced via the Forge of Wills. Giants presumably also from the Forge but it's not technically confirmed (all Chronicle says about them is a random fact about the keepers who "conscripted the giants" to raise mountains/create seas etc.), either way not the same model. Same for the "they were created by keepers". Both suggestions end up in this conclusion : any titan-forged race would be referred to as half-giant. -- MyMindWontQuiet 20:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but my point is that we don't know that half-giant refers to their size. It could refer to something else that Blizzard hasn't bothered to explain for whatever reason, so it shouldn't be definitively stated that "half-giant" is just a physical descriptor, even if that seems to be the most logical assumption at this point. --

DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 06:02, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, this article feel useless. I'd personally add a trivia entry to the vrykul page to say how they are sometimes referred to as half-giants and purge the article. Xporc (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Alright we'll see how to take care of it ! - MyMindWontQuiet 19:32, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I'd say we should keep the half-giant mention in their lead section as well, since that's how Blizzard does refer to them in the human entry of the Game Guide and, more recently, in several Legion legendaries. They aren't just described as something like "big, brutish humanoids", but have a rather specific classification, even if that classification currently doesn't really mean anything. (Like how the sporelings are called "mushroom men" in the Sporeggar faction tab, rather than something like "fungal humanoids".) --

DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 19:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

We don't need an entire article to note that vrykul are referred to as half-giants though, it should just be one line in the vrykul article either in the Introduction section or the Notes&Trivia one. -- MyMindWontQuiet 20:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I agree on that point, I just wanted to clarify that I'd prefer if the half-giant mention remained in the vrykul lead section instead of being confined to the Trivia section. --

DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 06:02, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh I must've misunderstood you, yeah definitely. -- MyMindWontQuiet 08:31, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Pets

I need an opinion please. Which section should come first, Battles (displays pet battle abilities) or Letter (when purchased, the item is mailed to the player description). An example of what I'm talking about can be found here. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 12:19, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Lil' Phylactery is fine IMO! Xporc (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Though in general with all pets that are mailed, they should be like Lil' K.T.: Battles section first then Letter? — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 12:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

yea Xporc (talk) 13:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Twilight Vanquisher

Original Zandalari model was that of purple jungle troll while this mob have look of purple forest troll, given the similar location as Shadowtooth clan in Warcraft III they are most probably dark trolls though I doubt it was confirmed officially. I didn't upload screenshot of the troll because they were fighting with Hyjal Wardens and were too close to them for good view. Woyr (talk) 14:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Noted! I cleaned the page up a bit. Xporc (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Gul'dan, Shadowmoon

My bad on that I thought it was a difference between main and alternate timeline Gul'dan but then after your edit I looked over talk page on the alternate Gul'dan page. I then saw that he was mentioned as Ner'zhul's apprentice on that link. So that's my bad and if I'm unsure on something on the article I'll make sure to look over the discussion before making a change.--X59 (talk) 08:55, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem man. Thank you for your edits :D Xporc (talk) 08:56, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Image request

I was updating Savash Windcaller's page to reflect an undocumented change that removed the typo in her surname (no longer has that extra 'l'). I tried to move File:Savash Windcalller.jpg accordingly, but can't because the destination namespace is already taken by a more recent screenshot of the NPC. As I believe that the older screenshot is of higher quality, could you move it over the newer one? -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 18:58, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. Xporc (talk) 19:09, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

NPC plurals

That's a "typo" in the game. Most, if not all NPCs that spawn after finishing their recruitment and run through the halls and disappear have plurals in their names. --Mordecay (talk) 02:07, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Dungeon Set 1, old set bonuses

Hey Xporc, I'm planning on making Legacy item pages for all the old Dungeon sets, a problem I've ran into though, is setting up the old set bonuses. Because the bonuses aren't just put into plain text, but comes from the Armor set page itself. My immediate thoughts were to create a new page called "Shadowcraft Armor (old)", to have a page with old bonuses for the specific set, though I'm assuming this probably wouldn't be the best idea, before consulting someone about it. My next idea, was to see if I could directly implement the set bonuses separately into each Legacy page, though I do not know where to place the line of code for the bonuses to show up or it isn't possible.

What do you think? (others are welcome to give me their help/ideas too ^^) Junkerd (talk) 02:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be possible to just make a legacy page for the item set? Then again, I'm not sure if "|set=Shadowcraft Armor/Legacy" would work. PeterWind (talk) 03:22, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Does the "|set=Shadowcraft Armor/Legacy" take the information from the page Shadowcraft Armor or the item set within the page? If it's the latter, it should be possible. Junkerd (talk) 23:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I now made the Legacy page for Shadowcraft Armor and made a Legacy page for the Shadowcraft Belt and what I found out, is that when linking to a set of which the item is a part of, in the items page (this case being the belt): |set=Shadowcraft Armor/Legacy, it simply takes the article with that name and finds the first set bonuses in the code on that page, meaning that you won't be able to have two different item bonus sets on the same page, if you require to have the latter set bonus to link. This means that I will have to avoid putting the newest versions of the Armor sets into the Legacy pages, as it would mess up other Legacy pages, that require a certain set bonus on the page. Luckily, it won't have a very big impact, since Dungeon set 1 only ever had two different set bonuses in its time. I hope you can understand what I'm trying to put into words and know if there is a work around to having more than two different set bonuses on a Legacy page, without messing up the items within the Armor sets legacy pages, haha. Junkerd (talk) 02:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Would something like Template:Versions2 work? PeterWind (talk) 12:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Xylem's mages

I tagged the apprentices as mages because they use mage abilities or have mana. --Mordecay (talk) 16:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Is there any reason to believe that Heinrich is not a mage if all the others are? Xporc (talk) 16:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Probably no, just wanted to respond since I felt prompted to do so by the three periods :-D --Mordecay (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Wowhead

Even though Wowhead is a good database with a lot of information, there are information that it'll always miss. Looking in the game would be the best way, especially if they're in-game right now. Get on Slack. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 10:12, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I just wanted an oral confirmation, since wowhead has been acting weird for me lately, not showing up reputation values etc. Not sure what was copy-pasted from another NPC page and not what was actually seen in-game. Xporc (talk) 10:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

SWS

Skeletal orcs, name used by Blizzard.
Skeletal troll, name used by Blizzard.
Skeletal gryphon, name used by Blizzard.
Skeletal horse, name used by Blizzard.
Skeletal raptor, dunno probably yes
Undead dragon, probably saw it somewhere.

From the mob list, skeletal wind serpent is not used. The tag was there for years implying it was made up, no? --Mordecay (talk) 22:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I mean, it's just a literal description of what it is... -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

For each of these cases, the name is used in a particular instance. For example, the "Skeletal Orcs" name comes from a group of creeps in The Frozen Throne, but there are no books canonically stating that skeletal orcs are officially called "skeletal orcs" (eh) in the Warcraft universe. At some point we've got to move on. Xporc (talk) 22:38, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Literal descrption on what it is works until an official name is announced. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 23:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

WikiQuote Template and Trollbane

Hey, thanks for tidying that up. I didn't realise the formatting for indents worked that way. I can't seem to reproduce what happened with that specific Trollbane quote anyway, so I'm glad someone fixed up my mistake at the source! Techhead7890 (talk) 11:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

No problem! I didn't really do anything besides noticing that every usage of the template now had a "::" in front of it, and revert the changes. I didn't really fix anything considering we are back to having the problem you tried to fix in the first place ;_; Xporc (talk) 14:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Assassins

Hmm, not a definite proof, I guess, but the pictures seem to be of the characters that are described next to (or below in this case) the pictures. For example, there's a picture of a dwarf instructor and below the picture, the dwarf instructor is described. The same positioning is used with the three assassins. --Mordecay (talk) 12:50, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

I really doubt it honestly :/ These guys don't look like assassins or rogues at all ... Xporc (talk) 13:46, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Timewalkers

A database lists Timewalkers as a "hero set", a part of the Timewalkers Block, consisting of 30 cards. --Mordecay (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

So it's a new set not already covered in {{TCGSets}}? Xporc (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

It is now :-P --Mordecay (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Night elves

On the edits in Elves page about NE architecture:

Very very clearly greek and roman (along with Japanese). Look at these examples:

https--://i.ytimg.com/vi/d_H06cFl1DQ/maxresdefault.jpg

https--://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/moon-guard/images/d/dd/Darnassus.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20130628010353

Also: "Kaldorei temple structures and their ruins often find far more commonality with Roman architecture than that of east Asia. Darnassus features many circular pavilions with carved stone columns, including around its famous Temple of the Moon which also features a central fountain representing Elune herself. Though columns and statuesque fountains were found in both Roman and Greek architecture, Rome’s domed structures and curved arches did not enter heavily into Greece’s buildings until later on in history." source: http--://blizzpro.com/2013/09/04/behind-the-lore-night-elves/

"The temple of the moon, and the bridges that lay over the lake are showing the elves excellence in stonecrafting. Their style of architecture is a mix of Byzantine Christian classicism to ancient Greek and Nordic pagodas." source: http--://et.worldofwarcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Night_elf —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bl ang (talk · contr).

Hello. Okay, I guess that works. Xporc (talk) 12:12, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Blizzpro is a good enough source for me; Wikia on the other hand isn't. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 14:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Let's not confuse ancient night elf architecture (Suramar, Zin-Azshari, all those Greek ruins littered everywhere), and the current wooden style, with Darnassus being (one of) the only exception. -- MyMindWontQuiet 00:09, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Another birthday

Heya guys. I know talk pages are barely used anymore since we now do most of our business through Slack, but since I've now been editing wowpedia for exactly two years, I feel like I should be writing another message.

So, err ... well, I am still honored to work with you all, and humbled by the amount of work we actually do. You guys are all extremely passionate about this, and it feels good to have a goal in life that isn't just the usual sleeping-working-eating rat race. It feels good to be able to work on your hobbies with so much people, to "protect" Warcraft and to bring value to it. These last two years have been a blast, to the point that I barely felt time passing.

But boy oh boy is the toll heavy for this. The problem is mostly me. Since I started watching over the Recent changes page, I basically forgot what it means to be bored, but I also forgot how to be professional at my desk job, or even how to have fun back at home. Every single day I devote between 3 and 7 hours working on wowpedia, most of this time watching over the Recent changes, trying to fix broken edits and to improve bad ones, often at the detriment of my job, my friends and even my health. The other admins warned me about this, that I would end up burned out, and well, that's probably what is gonna happen at some point, I have no doubts about that. When reading my "birthday" message from one year ago, I notice that it only took me one year to achieve my overhauls of the Warcraft I, Warcraft II and Warcraft Adventure sections, but what do I actually have to show for the last year? Mostly unfinished projects, many pages moved (which I'm not sure is that big of an improvement), and so much bile I threw at people that often didn't deserved it.

Personally I think you guys need to focus on doing more quality and less quantity. For example, the following situations are unoptimized in my opinion:

There are days with 1000+ edits being done, but with many of them with typos, broken links and repeated references. It indicates that people don't check their errors, or the errors being done by their neighbors. This isn't how a wiki should work IMO.
Sometimes I see people creating 30 stubs in a row without finishing them themselves. Okay, when those are alpha NPCs it's normal, but do we really need to tag WOTLK-era NPCs as "stubs"? Shouldn't we just focus on finishing up their pages entirely since everything that is necessary for that is already there?
I often see people slapping {{move}} and {{split}} templates with no intention to ever accomplish the task themselves.

Trying to be admin while correcting typos, finishing stubs and doing the move/splits that are asked by others, it feels very much like a Sisyphean task, there is just so much work to be done. I'd appreciate if you guys were a bit more self-reliant, and if you were more vigilant about your own actions. Most of the days I feel like no one actually double-check their edits besides me. This often leaves me completely exhausted, bitter and angry at how people are "having fun" while I am "left behind" having to clean up their work. This explains my regular outbursts of anger. I sincerely apologize for them; you all do good work even if sometimes I'm left frustrated about some minor details, but I also know they'll keep happening unless some things change a bit.

Now re-reading myself I know this all sounds very negative, but there are also many reasons to be hopeful: the fact that there is so much activity is (probably) healthy. Last summer and autumn I was actually afraid of wowpedia dying, as it felt like more and more people were leaving. Now many people came back, and there are also cool and motivated newcomers. A new WoW expansion pack is on the horizon, with World of Warcraft Classic also coming. Whatever happens to me, the community is still strong and thriving. Warcraft has many more years ahead of it, and along with wowpedia. That's pretty cool. Xporc (talk) 18:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Grats on the second year! PeterWind (talk) 19:19, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Two years old?

TWO IN WOWPEDIA YEARS

CG and don't work yourself too hard :) --Mordecay (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

We are not EA. We can do better; it is all about that quality. (Happy Brithday bud!) — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 19:38, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks y'all Xporc (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Patch 3.3.3a Undocumented

Hey, just wanted to let you know that I reverted your edit that reverted mine. I slapped the speedydelete on it because it needs to be deleted due to no content whatsoever. The links in the Special:WhatLinksHere are going to be there until the article gets deleted because the template used checks to see if the page exists in the first place. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 09:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough Xporc (talk) 09:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Deleting pictures

Hi Xporc, I saw your PM in the spanish wowpedia. Thanks for let me know about your ongoing job here in the main wiki. I checked the list of images out and didn't notice we were using any of them so feel free to delete it. Thank you! ;) Petrovic (talk) 14:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Nooooooo

Noooo :D The page isn't finished yet. It still contains many personal comments :D Maybe I slapped and forced the move tag too early -_- --Mordecay (talk) 20:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Better than a redirect :D Xporc (talk) 20:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Naah bruh, it's early, I'd like to reread it, crop unnecessary sentences, and officially "publish it" when it's completely done. So please move the two pages back. --Mordecay (talk) 20:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

embrace the changes Xporc (talk) 20:32, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Oke, ima be bad boy then. It's under my namespace and it will be moved when I say it :) --Mordecay (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

You do know that there are 100s of page linking to an empty one, now? Xporc (talk) 20:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

No empty one (and it's your fault since u are too hasty :P ). ~~Also move mine back to my namespace coz I apparently fucked it up.~~ NVM --Mordecay (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, since it's your page, I give you 24 hours. Tomorrow evening I'll move the page back to Battle of Mount Hyjal because this is really not a good situation for normal users. Xporc (talk) 20:49, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

No you will not. If there's an inconvenient situation now, revert the previous changes so that all is as it was before the situation happened - as it was one hour ago. --Mordecay (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

then don't put move templates if you don't actually intend things to be moved man :/ also stubs and copypasting are a thing. I don't know why you're getting so worked up about this Xporc (talk) 21:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, as I said at the beginning, it was early. I didn't intend to have it done like right-frickin-now, but in (Soontm) future. Actually, you seem to be worked up about quickly moving things. I just want to hold and finish the page completely and properly by myself so that you guys wouldn't have to deal with it too much afterwards. Since the page wasn't around since forever, few weeks won't hurt. --Mordecay (talk) 21:06, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm annoyed because it took me several days to move out the Hyjal pages and make room for yours, as asked by the move template. Another point of annoyance is that on several pages of the wiki we are now actually advertising a "lore" page for Hyjal when we have none. This is honestly not a situation I want to see happening for weeks. Xporc (talk) 21:16, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Nazjatar

"That's not very nice to create a huge page of nothing and expect other people to fill it"

Why is that? It's a page I felt should be made. I could fill it out, yes, but I feel that some other people might:

1) Be better at it than I would necessarily be.
2) Might simply want to write it more than me.
3) Have the time (and in connection with 1.) the necessary skill to do a proper job of it.

And having started the page, it might encourage some of these people to continue with it. Besides, having the page, even as a so-called "huge part of nothing" is in my mind better than having no page of the topic at all. (It's the same I did when I created the Kaldorei Empire page and for the same reasons. I never sensed an issue there?) Dajax02 (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

It's usually forbidden to create a page with so many stub sections. Mordecay fixed it. Xporc (talk) 11:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough, though that's something I've missed. Where is written? Dajax02 (talk) 12:37, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Project:Stub policy#The policy, though in the end it doesn't really matter. I reckon the page will see a lot of updates in Battle for Azeroth. Xporc (talk) 12:42, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeah.. in that case the page will likely see a lot of edits shortly so I'd say it's okay but when certain people cough Shammies cough create hundreds of empty item pages it can be bothering. -- MyMindWontQuiet 13:27, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Dang it

This is why Wowwiki will always be superior to Wowpedia. We need to step up our game. -- MyMindWontQuiet 20:21, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

We should open that R34 section, surely that'll finally let us close the gap :^) Xporc (talk) 23:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Warsong/Black Tooth Grin

Hello, I see you have reverted my edit about the Warsong Emissaries previously displaying a Black Tooth Grin Clan banner by mistake. No, I am not confusing it with the black tabard the emissaries wore (it does clearly bear the Warsong design even if it's black), I do mean the banners the emissaries were standing by. The banners were indeed eventually replaced by proper Warsong banners with a red background (as this picture shows) around 2.0.1 (though I don't remember the exact patch when it was fixed). The old banners did indeed display the Black Tooth Grin emblem, with near-closed jaws and one of the teeth missing. I tried searching for the pictures of the emissaries before the fix, but I couldn't find them. I can, however, point to an old discussion on this very wiki, dated 2006-2007: Talk:Warsong clan. PRHMro (talk) 18:52, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Interesting... is this this banner? Xporc (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes. PRHMro (talk) 00:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Then I'm reinstating the text, but I'd appreciate if we could find a screenshot of the original banner in-game, not just a model extract Xporc (talk) 09:10, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Wut?

Obviously, there's nothing wrong with relying on others to see a statement and find a source for it if they know it. Other readers may but it should be visible to them in the first place... --Mordecay (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

What I am just saying is that, why not discuss this on the talk page and look for the original source instead of just dumping a dubious statement and asking others to find the proof? :p Xporc (talk) 16:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Join if you want. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 16:54, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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