Talk:Azeroth

Climatology of Azeroth

(this is copied from a forum post I made, viewable HERE:http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272259548&postId=12718055054&sid=1#0) During the fight with Illidan, if you look up from the Black Temple, you can see Azeroth hanging in the sky. http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Azerothshadowmoonvalley.JPG

For one, this prooves that Azeroth is round. Second of all... it proves that at least one half of Azeroth has been entirely explored, and that there is NO south pole, and that the equator of Azeroth SHOULD run through Orgrimmar and Ironforge. Now, central Kalimdor could be conceived as hot, even though Stonetalon Mountains and Mulgore also fall into that category, yet are not described as being as hot as typically equatorial locales. Making this even more confusing is the fact that the Equator also runs through Ironforge and Dun Morogh... which is %%#@ing cold. Even altitude cannot explain that if it's on the %%#@ing equator. Even WEIRDER is that Azeroth's tropical jungles are located in the south, STV and Feralas, which are about as far away from the equator as Lordaeron and Ashenvale, respectively.

So... what the %%#@? You could've argued beforehand that Azeroth wasn't spherical, or parts of the southern hemisphere were undiscovered, but that pic PROVE otherwise- so, again, what the %%#@?Omacron 08:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The hot areas are the very southern areas of both continents (not to mention so are the South Seas and Undermine). Why does the equator have to be running through the middle of the image? (I know the world is shown to be spinning that way, but perhaps that's just artistic license?) User:Kirkburn/Sig3 08:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

While you certainly can't tell in the game, according to lore the various places in the world have rather earth-like seasons, spring, summer, winter, fall. With areas that are perpetualy green in game getting snow in the winter, and places Dun Morough having snowmelts during the spring/summer. This is mentioned in the novels, and occasionally in the RPG. As for the shape of the world, there has been a rotating sphere in the intro cinematic for who knows how long, and there are globes in many inns and buildings around the world. I think the most interesting this this points out is that Azeroth and Draenor were apparently in the same solar system... Azeroth is lucky it didn't get any chunks hitting it when the Draenor exploded. I'd also like to point out that the image doesn't disprove the existence of a south pole. We hardly can tell what angle we are looking at the world from, for all we know south pole could be out of our view.Baggins 09:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Ever heard of a gyre? Specifically, in the ocean current sense? Pretty much a cold current runs up one side and a warm current goes down the other. Now Dun Morogh is high in the mountains, so it could easily snow despite being on the equator. If you'd notice, the Eastern Kingdoms is a temperate/jungled place on the west side especially (with mountains preventing most access to the east coast) and the eastern coast of Kalimdor is a gigantic desert, which is synonymous with a cold current.Kongurous 09:07, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Just like an add, in our current world there are glaciers and snowed mountains just below the ecuator line, for example, Indonesia have lots of icecaps. Weirdly enough, it can snow upon arid places as Israel, despite the snow lasts less than a month but it certainly can cover your ankles. Anyway, we don't even know where the magnetic axis of the world is, and altought Northrend appears to be the "north pole" it seems it is not on the magnetic north-pole, but just like a cameo of Greenland. Also, Black Temple proofs nothing about the planetology and common solar system of Azeroth, if not, why we cannot see it on other parts of Outland? With that planet that closer, even Outland crumbs would fell upon Azeroth by simple gravity attraction (Azeroth have more mass than Outland), plus, even if you watch closer to that "picture", even Northrend is an archipielago of 4 islands, like on the alpha maps, so, is a displeasingly unserious representation of Azeroth. Also, Azeroth geography is suffering from "pangea-itis". Remember former Kalimdor? To this point of geology, all scientists believes that Pangea was a crumb of land on ONE SIDE of the Earth, so, teorically, the other side was only "water". With this I mean, if Kalimdor have that "pangea-itis", it could be possible to see or add land to the other side of the Azeroth (despite this world is collapsing in-wards, not out-wards like Earth's landmasses are doing).

To topple this demagogic and partly useless rant, I believe that, despite moons are "spherical", Azeroth, plus Outland, plus Argus and beyond, are like their name exhudes, planetes, or in other words, flat lands stuck below layers of floating spheres revolving around. That would explain why they have other planes of existence since these planes would be in-between those layers. I can point some old works to read whenever I have the time to link'em down. -- Ravenore , the Necroshadowmancer 21:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Population

Could someone please total up the populations provided by the zone articles? It would be good to know the entire population of Azeroth. Blackhawk003 22:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Do that include the clonned accounts and the alts? Whatever, if you want, check this page [1] I believe the overall census for the "most populated" Azeroth spins around 6 millions, but without counting the other sentient races wich also count as population, I guess...-- Ravenore , the Necroshadowmancer 21:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I think he meant the number supplied for most zones in the RPG books.. -Rovdyr 10:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I did it, and I have the number 939,503. However, there were a lot of zones with a population of 'Unknown', like entire Quel'Thalas, so the number is really really rough. (Luxor (talk) 07:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC))

Size of Azeroth

Doing some timing of runs in the Barrens, and assuming a reasonable running speed, one can estimate the distance between two known points. By measuring the same distance on a wall map of Azeroth it looks like the Azeroth's land masses total around 50-60 square miles. This is very rough, but the calculations below show the estimated values.

Average time to run from Crossroads north to the next signpost = 72.5 seconds = 1.208 minutes = .0201 hours. Assuming the running speed of a 6 minute mile implies 10 miles/hr. Multiply the two and you get the distance between the two signposts is .201 miles. Big assumption here is 6 minute mile for a Wow runner.

Now using the wall map the map distance is 11/16 in. .201 miles / .6875 inches = 0.293 miles per inch. [If you use 1/3 scale it would imply a 5.25 minute mile. So maybe 1/3 is right rather than 0.293]

The next step is where I could use some help. The size of Kalimdor on the map is around 10 inches by 25 inches. Converting this to 250 square inches to square miles (divide by 9) and get around 28 square miles. Double that for the Eastern Kingdoms to get a 50-60 square miles estimate.

FYI the Earth is around 148.94 million sq km (or 57.5 million square miles). So it would take 1 million Azeroth's to equal the size of the Earth.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DrJohnMARoy (talk · contr).

The in-game world perhaps, the RPG says it is bigger in a lot of places.--SWM2448 22:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Also counting that WoW only shows a very simplified Azeroth, regarding to the ones shown in fictions. At least, to walk from Ashenvale to Thousand Needles took up to 1 week for my RP characters, and on a caravan, only stopping to push back some thistleboars and some noisy harpies and centaurs... Still, I'm amused that someone bothered to measure Azeroth ingame /applaud-- Ravenore , the Necroshadowmancer 21:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

This comes sometime later, but there's a quick way to do some dirty calculations as to Azeroth's actual size as compared to World of Warcraft's simplified view. In Day of the Dragon, the flight from Hasic, somewhere east of Southshore, to Khaz Modan to the south, takes about 7 hours according to Rhonin's calculations and Molok's responses when asked if they were at the half way point (the most direct route should also pass over Tol Barad according to the flight). This same flight distance in-game takes approximately 1:30 seconds (I used the Southshore <-> Menethil Harbor time and shaved off a few seconds to represent not needing to go as far into either zone). 7 Hours = 25,200 seconds; gryphon travel time = 90 seconds. 25,200/90 = 280. So, based on information presented in Day of the Dragon compared to actual in-game travel times, Azeroth is actually 280 times larger than it's presented in WoW; given that these're rough numbers, I'd say it'd be safer to assume 250 times larger.--Scieran (talk) 22:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so, with that in mind what would you roughly say the size of Azeroth is compared to Earth then? I've always imagined Azeroth in my head to be roughly the size of Mars. I have no basis for that of course, just my own brain mullings. Kayb (talk) 08:25, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Folks, For a bit more on distance, height, and velocity in Azeroth and the Outland, visit 'Fun with the minimap' at http://homepage.mac.com/prym. I was able to couple my calculations of the size of Azeroth using the minimap with the image of Azeroth from the Black Temple http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Astrology.jpg to estimate the circumference of Azeroth. My eyeball estimate is a circumference of about 40 miles. The radius of Azeroth is the circumference divided by 2 pi, or just about 6.37 miles. I measured the acceleration due to gravity, g, in part six of "Fun with the Minimap" to be 12.7m/s^2 for the Outland. This is a rough estimate of g for Azeroth{1} which you can use together with g = G M/R^2 to estimate the mass of azeroth. I get,

M=g R^2/G = (12.7 m/s^2) (10250 m)^2 / (6.67x10^-11 m^2 kg^-1 s^-2) = 2 x 10^19 kg

We can also compute the volume of Azeroth, V = 4 pi R^3 / 3 = 4.51 m^3, and from this obtain an averaged density of Azeroth, d = 4.43 x 10^6 kg/m^3. By way of comparison, thats about 1000 times denser than water and about 10 times denser than the core of the sun. So, Azeroth is a very small, very dense planet :D

Radius ( km ), Earth - 6,371.0, Azeroth - 10.25

Mass (kg), Earth - 5.9736×10^24, Azeorth - 2x10^19

Density (kg / m^3), Earth - 5515.3, Azeroth - 4.43x10^6

{1} I base this on the fact that when i fall in Azeroth, the vertical velocity appears to be the same as it is in the Outland. This estimate could be tightened up quite a bit by slow falling (need a mage for this) off of Teldrassil for a particular length of time and then free falling into the water below. From the height of Teldrassil, and the rate of descent when slow falling (see part four of "Fun with the Minimap") you'd know your height above the water. Acceleration due to gravity on Azeroth could then be determined with a series of height and time measurements just like in part six of "Fun with the Minimap". Bye for now, Prym (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)Prym

Name

I don't remember the Night Elves calling the world Azeroth in WotA, I only remember them calling it Kalimdor all the way through. So the theory about the Arathi naming it in honor of the Azotha seems eligible enough.. -Rovdyr 10:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you think it could be named after Azathoth in Cthulhu mythos? BobNamataki (talk) 20:43, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I think it could be named after the subcontinent ruled by Stormwind, who was, in fact, named by the name of the human race, known as Azotha.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:56, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Azeroth - A level 70-80 place?!

If you look above the picture of Azeroth you will see this: 1-60, 70-80(!) Is it possible to lvl to lvl 70 (or 80) in Azeroth? (Even before the WotLK) Or is this just a mistake by someone? (20:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC))

Sign you posts with four tildes (~~~~). It isn't possible yet but it has been confirmed (Northerend is Azeroth), therefore it as been stated on the page. --Ose^{Talkz / Contribz} 20:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Technically, it can be possible... though I don't see why someone would want to. But you can level to about 65-66 in the high level zones and instances of azeroth, then maybe with some help from a friend kill the ghosts near karazhan to finish getting to lv70. Though that would be very boring and a long process... Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 21:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

For 70-80, as per Ose, Northrend is part of Azeroth. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Why do we call the "~" a tidle?   Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 03:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Becous it is called a tilde. See '[2]'. (Luxor (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC))

Two moons?

Does Azeroth have two moons? Only one is visible in WoW, but according to this quest (http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Of_Love_and_Family_%282%29), there are two.

What do ya'll think?

Yes, there are two in lore. There used to be two in game but one was removed after it caused problems with the horizon or something...Baggins (talk) 06:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Azeroth as seen on Outland

I don't think Azeroth is that near to Outland. The view of Azeroth has to be from a portal or something. First, the planet looks like it is so close that you would be able to see Draenor from Azeroth. Second, when you're on Outland I don't remember ever seeing Azeroth in the sky.  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 03:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

You can see Azeroth in the sky from the Black Temple, but I personally agree that they are not, in fact, that close. In addition to the insane effect of tidal forces on both Azeroth and Draenor (back when it was Draenor) if they were that close, Outland is actually sitting within the Twisting Nether. The view of Azeroth from the Black Temple is either an easter egg or the result of the chaotic energies of the Twisting Nether. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe fel magic tore a hole between the two worlds and Azeroth is able to be seen because of it.   Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 04:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Fel magic has already torn a hole between the worlds. Azeroth's visibility is either just an in-joke or the result of Outland being in the Nether. Probably the former. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

...or that Illidan can see what world rejected him. g0urra[T҂C] 13:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Ooo, that's a good one. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Well actually the properties of the nether are a bit weird. It can't be seen in game but physics are warped in the nether according to the rpg. People can see alot of weird things, and its very highly morphic, changes form all the time, its form can be manipulated by people in it as well.Baggins (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is told to us that Azeroth has two sides?

Exactly what book and pages told us the following information?: "The world of Azeroth also has lands located at the other side, beyond the Veiled Sea to the west of Kalimdor, and beyond the Forbidding Sea to the wast of the Eastern Kingdoms. No one is sure or have knowledge of what kind of creatures, lands, cultures, life, and sentient being lives in the other side of Azeroth."Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

It seems like the images of Azeroth the world, I think taken from WotLK, show that there is no "other side" of Azeroth like those globes you sometimes find in the game seem to show. It looks like if you go west of Kalimdor you would shortly get to the eastern side of the Eastern Kingdoms correct? I don't see much room, going by those new images, for anything on the "other side" any longer. Rolandius (talk - contr) 10:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The fact that no sailors have returned when they've gone in those directions suggests maybe there is more... there are at least two other lands referred to in lore which are not seen on any map: Pandaria and the 'Dragon Lands' mentioned in War of the Ancients (although, it is not known if the latter survived the Sundering). It is possible the Titan globes are subjective and only show the known world for some reason, or simply the game artists only showed the known world on a globe as with the WoW logo's spinning globe because at this point they haven't created any more. Of course, it is quite possible this IS also quite possible this is the entire known world barring small islands and such :) Xarantaur (talk) 06:39, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks god there's someone that thinks like me and I'm not alone. It's just stupid to think those globes at Ulduar are correct. Between other things, they have Kul Tiras missing. Also, Black Temple's image shows both EK and Kalimdor, implying they aren't on the opposite sides of the globe.

Sometimes, globes are made of just continents or maps. My opinion is that the dwellers of Ulduar just made a map of the known world.

Summarized, I think the known world fills only 1/4 of the globe, Northrend being near the north pole and Kezan being near the equator.

Also, those seas have those mysterious names for a reason .--Lon-ami (talk) 11:01, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

The Titan's would know what the other side of the world looked like but the map's they made may only show what the veiwer knows of the world. Also northrend seems far enough from the north pole that "north" does not become a relative value in-game although this may also be mechanics (the colored ulduar globe also has it south of the apparent pole.)SargeLIVES (talk) 22:17, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the Titans know what Azeroth looks like currently at all. When the Titans last saw Azeroth, there weren't any sapient species, and Kalimdor, Eastern Kingdoms and Northrend were all one super continent. I don't think it would have been the Titans directly who provided the Azerothian imagery as seen in Ulduar etc. I figure it probably more an automated system that is reflecting what it sees in the minds of those who enter the various Titan structures. If any one knows what is or isn't on the opposite side of Azeroth, it would likely be one or more of the Dragon Aspects, and they aren't usually in the habit of giving away secrets easily. Kayb (talk) 09:14, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

It was all one super continent because the Titans made it so. I can't imagine that they would have terraformed an entirely planet and not thought to see what was on the other side. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, the TItans would already know what the planet as a whole would have looked like, but during their time, it would not have looked as it does now. The images of the world shown in Ulduar are highly unlikely to have been put there by the Titans themselves. I figure my above suggestion is a good reasoning behind that. When the super continent split, other pieces may have drifted off to what would now be veiwed as 'the other side of the world', if something didn't already exist there. Unless the lore mentions that the Titans created *only* the Kalimdor super continent, in which case.. *shrug* Kayb (talk) 09:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's likely the devices in Ulduar were kept up-to-date of the world it was monitoring... either automatically or by the watchers. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 19:52, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Azeroth herself?

So what do you think, why in Wrathion´s speech is used "herself"?--Mordecay (talk) 10:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Same as boats.--SWM2448 18:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Same reason we say mother earth. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 01:28, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I see. --Mordecay (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary info

I don't see how the history section is relevant to the article. The article is about the planet, not the planet's history. (I assumed this from the article's name) If anything, there should be a different page called History of Azeroth or something similar, but (maybe) with expanded information and detailed events from the creation of Azeroth to now. I'm just voicing my opinion and want to see what others think about this, since most likely I'm just overreacting. --DoomeЯ TC 18:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

A pre-TBC map?

Why is there no pre-2.0.3 map in the gallery? Can it be added?--Adûnâi (talk) 02:10, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

...Where did that go?--SWM2448 05:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Two versions exist. If anyone knows when the map was updated in Vanilla, in what exact patch please add it.

I believe that the map from the original intro cinematic was used in-game for some time after release, even if the in-game coastline at release was already as seen on the later map (coastline changed sometime during beta develapment). Mrforesttroll (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

W3 map

Map of the world of Azeroth from the Exodus of the Horde tFT part. Is it uploaded here? --Mordecay (talk) 23:39, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Wut Xporc (talk) 10:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

As I recall, one of the loading screens is a world map. I imagine this is what Mordecay is asking about. PeterWind (talk) 11:43, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes. --Mordecay (talk) 13:13, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Found it File:WC3-D05.jpg. Is it possible to have it without the text? Maybe somehow through the world editor? --Mordecay (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Using an MPQ Editor and finding the file in the MPQ set. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 17:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Suramar map

The map that shows in the Thalyssra-narrated cinematic. Is it uploaded here? --Mordecay (talk) 17:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Can you pass a link of that cinematic? --Ryon21 (talk) 17:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jGwNEM1YAQ&t=1393 ? — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 17:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that one. Especially asking for the post-Sundering shot. --Mordecay (talk) 17:58, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Just give me a moment. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 18:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

File:Post-Sundering Suramar Cinematic.jpg and I also did this one File:Pre-Sundering Suramar Cinematic.jpg — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 18:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Well the pre-sundering one can probably be deleted, found this one: File:Great Sundering Suramar cinematic.jpg — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 18:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thx! --Mordecay (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Can we focus one moment on the fact that not only did they not remove Shen Zin Su from the Chronicle map, but they also put it on Pandaria in the post-Sundering pic ? -- MyMindWontQuiet 18:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

That's too explicit for Wowpedia sir; this is a family-friendly website. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 18:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)