Talk:Dazar'alor

The Two Dazar'alors

A follow-up from the box on the page, there's really some confusion between the usage of Dazar'alor, Zuldazar categories with regards what we see in the game.

In the game, Dazar'alor is considered a zone when inside the top pyramid - where the king and Horde embassy are. When you are just outside of it, you see Dazar'alor as a subzone of Zuldazar in the ui despite the world map using the Dazar'alor name. To add more confusion, channels remain that of Dazar'alor while near the main pyramid below, but as soon as you move to the Zocalo for example (which is still considered a subzone of Zuldazar despite still being in Dazar'alor) the channels switch do that of Zuldazar. To add a specific example, the Chamber of Rezan is treated by the game ui and channels as being a subzone of Zuldazar instead of Dazar'alor despite the world map showing Dazar'alor.

What do? --Mordecay (talk) 17:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I think... Have Dazar'alor as Dazar'alor be a subzone of Zuldazar like on {{Terokkar Forest}}. Keep the subzones in the zones they display, but if a room is obviously inside the "capital" part of the city, just add it to both nav templates with a note about the actual zone it is in.--SWM2448 17:46, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

They really messed up this one. It seems they were going to use Dazar'alor as the name of the pyramid but then they found the city had no name as Zuldazar was the zone, they rushed. What SWM2448 says it is fine I'd say, in the meantime we put them in the two categories. But there is any confirmation on the name of the pyramid? Is it The Great Seal or that is just the inner seal? And the city is called Zuldazar or Dazar'alor by the NPCs? --Ryon21 (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

The city/capital is referred to as Zuldazar by NPCs:  [10-60] Welcome to Zuldazar –WarGodZajru (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

A lot of NPCs that are in the subzone Dazar'alor of the Zuldazar zone have the Dazar'alor category. We keep it that way? --Mordecay (talk) 16:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I remember adding a bunch of NPCs based on the "NPCs by zone" pages in way early alpha. Back then I was of the impression that they were in "Zuldazar". I don't think I've fixed all to show "Dazar'alor" yet. PeterWind (talk) 21:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't mind putting the ones who appear on the Dazar'alor world map (despite it being the Zuldazar zone) in the Dazar'alor category, so Dazar'alor it is. What about the infobox? [Zocalo], [Zuldazar] or [Zocalo], [Dazar'alor]? --Mordecay (talk) 22:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I would default to what the city chat channel calls it. See Talk:Boralus Harbor and {{Boralus}}.--SWM2448 23:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I suggest keeping it simple: if you are in dazar'alor, wether you are in the "gameplay" city or the outdoor Zuldazar part, you're tagged as being a Dazar'alor NPC. Xporc (talk) 11:27, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Outdoor Zuldazar part? If it is meant to be the Zocalo, Zanchul, and the port district, basically when you are in the world map of Dazar'alor, then yeah, I agree. But maybe this "inconsistency" discussed here could also be mentioned in the Notes section? It's quite unique :-D --Mordecay (talk) 21:06, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Unlike the Boralus Harbor/Boralus situation, both areas are called Dazar'alor (though the town is called The Great Seal on the map) like Mordecay said. The town's services runs through the entire pyramid, though only the two floors with drawn maps are the city (but not the side stairs). That is the gist of it. Maybe a split could happen... but it feels dishonest to say that the Horde has anything resembling a distinct district. They have rooms of a palace.--SWM2448 02:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

So we have Zandalar --> Zuldazar --> Dazar'alor (the map, part of Zuldazar) --> A pyramid called The Great Seal on the map --> Dazar'alor (the zone, Horde city) --> A room called The Great Seal.--SWM2448 03:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I suggest the following squash: Zandalar is the whole continent, Zuldazar is the in-game region, Dazar'alor is the Horde capital consisting of two pyramids and the bazaar/port, and the Great Seal is the central palace/pyramid OR just its inner great room, as you guys wish it. Xporc (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

The way I see it, Dazar'alor is everything on the map that pops up when in town. PeterWind (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

We can combine the two Dazar'alors if we give the pyramid a placeholder name, because it doesn't have a name separate from its surroundings.--SWM2448 22:04, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Behold, The Great Seal Pyramid. :trollface: — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 22:22, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

The best name would be Dazar'alor pyramid since it is inside the city. And if it turns out that is its name then we will already have it right.--Ryon21 (talk) 22:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

{{Bettername}} would work until a name is confirmed. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 22:50, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Dazar'alor, just like the city around it, or The Great Seal, just like the room within it.--SWM2448 23:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Don't they refer to it as the Great Seal in quests ? -- MyMindWontQuiet 09:11, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

FYI, wowhead has "Dazar'alor" as everything on the Dazar'alor map, including the Zocalo, Zanchul, the Mugambala, etc. They also call the great central pyramid the "Great Seal". Honestly, it's probably better to keep it simple and to do the same thing as them. I don't think random visitors will be interested to hear about how some chat channels mark some room as not in Dazar'alor even though it is physically in Dazar'alor or other similar non-sense. Xporc (talk) 14:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

What about Dazar'alor (the city), Great Seal (the pyramid), and Great Seal (room) (the central room, moved from the current Great Seal page)? As long as it is with the Horde capital clearly labeled as what it really is (name and borders) on the Great Seal page. {{Dazar'alor}} is correct in its borders.--SWM2448 00:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Sure, why not Xporc (talk) 12:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Banshee's Wail NPCs

The NPCs on the Banshee Wail are considered Dazar'alor NPCs and Zuldazar in the game, with half of the ship being divided. How do we tag them? --Mordecay (talk) 19:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Just Dazar'alor, or both, I don't mind. Xporc (talk) 12:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

IMO, I would just do Dazar'alor since it is part of the port for the city. But both would work as well. — SurafbrovWarcraft Wiki administrator T / C 12:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Dazar'alor yeah. -- MyMindWontQuiet 20:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

City guide

Note for later uses: it might be cool to update our page with content from the wowhead city guide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xporc (talk · contr).

Merge?

Should we merge this page with Great Seal since they're essentially the same thing, both article-wise and in the lore? -Cannibeans (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

They share a name, but they are distinct. The central pyramid is called "The Great Seal" on the map, the flight path, and the hearthstone location, but... it is the only part of the city of Dazar'alor to actually have "Dazar'alor" as its subzone name.--SWM2448 01:03, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

City & pyramid

After wandering throughout the city and its surroundings, I noticed the markers spread around Dazar'alor. The most interesting one is located at the stairs to the right, that goes from the port, up to the pyramid lower section. With all that, the city seems to be divided into three sections. The "lower city" is basically Port of Zandalar (as all markers point to it, the flight path name etc.) even though the subzone just displays in the proper harbor. The "northern city" could perfectly be Zanchul since it seems to take all the area but it could simply just be the main building there. Now, the main pyramid and its base (the "central city") is Dazar'alor, at least all markers point to it. What the Great Seal is, is simply the highest part of the pyramid, where the proper Great Seal and the throne are located (the Boralus Harbor counterpart). If you don't mind, I want to move "Great Seal" to "Dazar'alor (pyramid)" and relocate "Great Seal (room)" to "Great Seal" and use it for both, the area and the seal itself. I'll change all the links myself so no problem with that. --Ryon21 (talk) 20:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Update - After some thinking, some of the areas could be further separated so it would look like it is now in the template. --Ryon21 (talk) 00:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Whatever it is, it is confusing.--SWM2448 01:04, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

It sure is Xporc (talk) 08:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Yep. And if one throne room wasn't enough, now there seems to be two. The one atop the pyramid and the instance room where you fight Rasta. :think: --Ryon21 (talk) 09:39, 5 June 2019 (UTC)