Category talk:Sunfury

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If I wanna create a category for all the guys who served under Kael, what should I name it? I'm partial on Sunfury, since I often see it as the generic name instead of "Kael'thas' forces". Xporc (talk) 08:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Do you have any references to where other other non-Sunfury NPCs are called Sunfury? --Celellach (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Sunfury Signets can drop from Sunseekers, Bloodwarder and Sunfury elves, even from some Illidari ones. The fact that the Sunfury are said to be thousands, that the Scryers and Illidari blood elves were formerly Sunfury (and not, let's say, Bloodwarders or Sunseekers), the fact that the Sunfury were said to have joined back the Thalassian army in the end (once again, them particularly and not the Bloodwarders and company), it all makes me feel that the Sunfury were actually the name of the whole faction instead of just a sub-group of the Kael'thas' forces. This is more of a gut feeling than something with hard evidence, which is why I'm opening this discussion.

Another example: the article cites "Kael's army" as a name for the faction because of  [25-30] A Convincing Disguise, but in this quest, "Kael's army" actually refer to the Sunfury. Same thing for  [25-30] The Sunfury Garrison and  [25-30] Stealth Flight, which once again say "Kael'thas's forces" but are specifically talking about Sunfury mobs/garrisons. Xporc (talk) 09:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Its very annoying when Blizzard doesn't care for consistency. :) I went over some of the articles to try and figure out this one. Some names we can rule out are Firewing which are named after their base and the Crimson Hand which the article says are the elite guard, which would mean they are probably a sub-group of some force. Sunseekers and Bloodwarder are elite forces in the dungeons and raids of TK, while Sunblade and Shadowsword are the elite forces of the dungeon and raid of the Isle of Quel'Danas. This leaves Dawnblade (in an unrelated note, why is this low level dagger the main article and not this big group?) as the ground force of Quel'Danas and Sunhawk for the forces that are at the Bloodmyst. I'd say if we had to choose a name for this faction, Sunfury would be the best name given the quests you showed and the fact they all drop the signets. If you do manage to find a quest that mentions Sunfury while talking about another named group, that be even better. Also, maybe asking on twitter one of the wow lore devs could clear this up. --Celellach (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Ultimate Contradiction Guide says that Voren'thal's group was a part of Kael'thas' army. --Mordecay (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

 [15-30] Sunfury Signets says "Kael's Sunfury army is extremely well-trained", while also saying "You will find them all over Netherstorm and Shadowmoon Valley". So this means the Sunfury army is not just the Sunfury mobs, but everyone in Netherstorm, Shadowmoon Valley and their respective dungeons.  [25-30] Sunfury Signets also confirms that that the Eclipsion and the demon hunter trainees at Karabor were Sunfury. To me this proves that Sunfury is a generic term for all the blood elves who followed Kael to Outland.

There's also  [25-30] A Dark Pact who says "The Burning Legion and Kael'thas' Sunfury army serve under the same banner", but the Scryers could be cautious and assume that the other armies of Kael could not be allied to the Legion, so I don't know. Xporc (talk) 11:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Another thing! It is said that "though some remnants of [...Kael'thas...] army would heed this call, and become known as the Dawnblade, others did not: a number of the Sunfury forces broke away from the prince's increasingly damning path, and instead reaffirmed their loyalty to their homeland of Quel'Thalas and its acting regent, Lor'themar Theron."

So this mean that the Dawnblades, and by extension the Sunblade and Shadowsword, are ex-Sunfury. Xporc (talk) 20:18, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Maybe World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 3 will give us a confirmation (I really like "Sunfury" instead of "Kael'thas' forces", tho) --Mordecay (talk) 20:35, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Would be nice to have a "proper" confirmed name yeah. We can hope :) PeterWind (talk) 21:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Any Chronicle 3 update here? Is the term "Sunfury" even used there? Xporc (talk) 07:28, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Nope. It's generally "Kael'thas and his followers" or "Kael'thas and his forces". -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:58, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Tweeted the lore guys but I doubt I'll have an answer Xporc (talk) 08:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Copeland actually delivered, the madman! Xporc (talk) 22:32, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Does the world group means all the Kael belves? --Mordecay (talk) 22:36, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

I think? In opposition to the Netherstorm Sunfury mobs. Xporc (talk) 22:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

I think I got everyone! Xporc (talk) 14:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)