Talk:Zandalari army

Is this needed? I think it was included for future if we got its proper name similar to Kul Tiras (kingdom) includes the army and navy pages along with note not to create them. For now the Zandalari Empire page should include any military info. --Mordecay (talk) 10:06, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

It's necessary, because this army fought in

War against the Zandalari

Zandalari Troll Wars

it's one of the most ancient armies in the lore   SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 13:41, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Is there a single source about an organization called "Zandalari army"? Xporc (talk) 14:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Is there a source for the name? Because it looks like you are describing the Zandalari Empire and the Zandalari tribe. Again, the army was put in order to have a counterpart to the Kul Tiran which was said not to be created until we have a proper name for the organization. U see, there was a reason that the link brackets were not included in the Zandalari army, just like on the Kul Tiras page. Speaking of, the Kul Tiran army seem to be the Proudmoore Admiralty. --Mordecay (talk) 14:29, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

The source about the name is http://www.wowhead.com/npc=69796/zandalari-kneebiter   SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 14:44, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Sigh... I mean, we could do imaginary organization, the "Horde army", which was referred to in a quest and we could list all Horde organizations there... /s

I just don't think it is correct to use that descriptive name and put it as the main body of Zandalar Empire army. --Mordecay (talk) 14:48, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

The Horde is a coalition of armies, and if we merge the Zandalari army with the Empire, we must merge the Stormwind Army with the kingdom   SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 15:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Like Mordy said, none of this is needed. There is no way that this page doesn't end up as a duplicate of the already existing page. We'll change this back to how it was, and like how Kul Tiras (kingdom) includes the army and navy. We're not going to start "army" pages for every single organization or faction that exist, just like you write "the Horde armies raided Zul'Gurub" you will write "the Zandalari armies did this", you don't need a page for that. -- MyMindWontQuiet 15:42, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

You can merge the army with the empire but you must merge the Stormwind Army with the kingdom for the same reason as you say ("We're not going to start "army" pages for every single organization or faction that exist" and "going back to how it was, same as Kul Tiras (kingdom)#Military")   SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 15:49, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

If nothing, it (Stormwind Army), being a proper name warrants being a separate page, I guess. Big but incoming. What about the Alliance navy page which was created just like this one, based on a single mention of the term in a quest? I'm really torn because that page is huge and well written but if we get rid of / merge the Zandalari army page, what should happen to the Alliance one? --Mordecay (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I think the question is more what happens to the Kul Tiras page if we keep this Zandalari one. The Alliance navy has extensive lore from every expansion and the page is terribly long, listing every single NPC/captain and ship that have ever appeared in the game for the last decade, it just can't be merged with Alliance. Kul Tiras and Zandalari armies however are 2 paragraphs long and the former is mostly covered by Kul Tiras (kingdom) already, I'm not entirely sure they warrant their own pages. Basically it looks like the little info there is could be incorporated into the Zandalari Empire page. -- MyMindWontQuiet 16:09, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

The first Kul Tiras quests say that the Proudmoore House control the army and what we see in the form of an army is the Proudmoore Admiralty, so I think there shouldn't be another page called Kul Tiras army. --Mordecay (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

The lore of the Zandalari army it's very extensive, because the army was founded centuries before the War of the Ancients, and the army fought in some wars

• Zandalari Troll Wars
• Against Hakkar
• War against the Zandalari (under Zul's leadership)
• And now the army have a role in the new expansion

In the page we can add information about all the branches of the army and their units   SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 16:40, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Technically, we know when the Zandalari Empire was founded and went into military actions. --Mordecay (talk) 16:43, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Isn't all this already covered in Zandalari Empire ? Are you planning to just copy all this and paste it into a new page called Zandalari army ? --

No, I want use the page for military actions of the army and their units no more, and for the history a short summary for each expansion about the military actions of the empire similar to the Stormwind army, in fact we can have a sub-section for the zandalari fleet   SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 17:06, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

All which can be in subsections of the Zandalari Empire. I don't know. --Mordecay (talk) 17:17, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

It seems to me that all of this is already covered by the Zandalari Empire page, or could be. -- MyMindWontQuiet 17:27, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Expansion sections

Should we continue write it as a lore by time frame or by sections per expansions . Like MoP , BFA. (Yuvalal (talk) 18:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC))