Talk:Gnomeregan (nation)

Kingdom, Nation, Republic or Whatever?

So Mordecay, admittedly I was wrong about "Cut Short, pg. 4" not referring to Gnomeregan as a kingdom. It does. And Gelbin is known to call himself "King of Gnomes".

But the real question is whether or not these few hints of a gnomish kingdom is enough for the infobox to have a |type = [[Kingdom]], the page-name being Gnomeregan (kingdom) instead, and listing the article in [[Category:Kingdoms]].

(If that is the final decision, let me just point out that the infobox-type-thing is currently not showing for whatever reason)

However, I'd recommend not doing so. The kingdom- and "King of Gnomes"-examples are probably just because the other Alliance member states are ill-informed and doesn't understand any other form of government than a kingdom, and doesn't get how a High Tinker is the leader of a nation. I'd put my money on people from the allied nations nicknaming him the King of Gnomes, and the name kinda just stuck, without really being the truth. I'd say add a line somewhere that the "kingdom"-name is sometimes used to describe the nation, but keep the article-name Gnomeregan (nation), the categorization [[Category:Democracies]] (or maybe [[Category:Democratic nations]] or [[Category:Republics]]. It's a new category, so let's be inventive). The only reason for having both [[Category:Democracies]] & [[Category:Kingdoms]] would be if the nation was a constitutional monarchy, but it is not. It is a republic.

--Amargaard (talk) 11:46, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Blizzard seems to use the word kingdom as a synonym of nation. I think the majority of political factions have, at some point, been refereed to as a kingdom. Even though, Gnomeregan could very well still be a kingdom, at least in a ceremonial way. They haven't had a proper king since Mechagon, and Gelbin seems to use the "King of the Gnomes" title as just a thing he likes. So far he has never been mentioned as their new official king and he admits he as no authority over gnomes. That's why I prefer to leave as it is but we could also add to the page to the [Category:Kingdom] without any problem. The [Category:Democracies] is good enough for nations where the leader is voted. --Ryon21 (talk) 11:55, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Blizzard is kinda... sloppy with politital terms, like Ryon hinted, being used interchangeably, but since categories are to encompass broad senses instead of strict ones, and the case of Gnomeregan could fit the broad one, the kingdom category should be fine, I think.

I looked at the Kaldorei Empire page when I wanted to add the type parameter here, and I thought it is the faction infobox but as it turns out, the kaldorei empire has the zone infobox which accepts the type parameter whereas the faction one does not. Comparing the two, it also lacks some more parameters and its wordings. I left them like that, but if people want the type parameter or some others that are in the zone infobox but not in the faction one, I think they could be added.

Not sure about the democratic and republic categories; the words haven't been used in Warcraft but their processes are there in some cases so... I guess, maybe yea? --Mordecay (talk) 12:32, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Nations will be enough. Xporc (talk) 14:23, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Allow me to take up the discussion again - this page is both categorized as a kingdom and a nation. Currently only the latter is true, yet I acknowledge the former is historically true as well. I do believe, however, like characters that are no longer alive are categorized as deceased characters, that it would fit better under a "former kingdoms" or nothing at all. --Amargaard (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

A categorization is just that. But if you feel like there should be a "former kingdoms" category then feel free to create one and update the pages. There aren't many. --Ryon21 (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

It's not like there are enough pages in the Kingdoms category to really bother separating from current and former kingdoms. Xporc (talk) 08:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

So it ended up a kingdom anyway...

With the merging of this nation with the Rustbolt Resistance, and Gelbin being named official king of their new shared gnome nation - is that the end of this republic? Will the new nation have a new name or will it just be a new version of this one? --Amargaard (talk) 23:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

These are questions that we would love to get answers for but will probably be forgotten for a long time :( Either way, if the two nations have indeed united, then it is the end of this republic. --Ryon21 (talk) 00:23, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

It's funny how some thing goes, uh ... Didn't expected Gnomeregan to turn back into a kingdom Xporc (talk) 12:18, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Character icons

In the last edit by Ryon21, Sicco Thermaplugg was added in the infobox as a former secondary leader - where he belongs - but it made me consider which character icons would fit better? His current leper gnome appearance or maybe a regular gnome male? When I created this page I faced the same question for King Mechagon - where I went for a normal gnome male icon in the end. It's not that I have the answer, but at least I think it should be a consistent choice. --Amargaard (talk) 20:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah you're right. Since this was before him becoming a leper gnome, it should have a regular gnome icon. --Ryon21 (talk) 20:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Organization

So... three things. 1: I've been thinking of expanding the organizations-section with a couple of lesser known organizations within the nation - maybe even some that were pure text without a link, but I can't really pinpoint the trivial limit in this case. Which of the following do you think should make the cut?

• The Tinkers' Court - This is clearly more than the name of a room inside the city of Gnomeregan.
• The Alchemy Corps - It was spelled with capital letters in Cut Short, which, to me, seems like it represents a special sub-organization within the nation.
• Gnomeregan's ruling council - While the exact role of this council, and its members, are not clarified anywhere, it is clearly an important part of gnomish society.
• The High Tinker's war council - A small notice from   [1-30] Meet the High Tinker reveals that Gelbin has a specific council that he discusses military issues with.
• The High Tinker's security team - Lead by Herk Winklespring these guys protect the High Tinker in Cut Short. Or well... there would be no interesting story to tell had he not left them behind outside of sector 17.
• Overspark Expedition - Based in the Overspark Expedition Camp - lead by highly ranked Gnomeregan-official Tinkmaster Overspark and not a part of the Explorers' League, these guys probably act on the behalf of the Nation of Gnomeregan.

2: Add small descriptions after each organization instead of just its name? And 3: Add sub-sub-sub... and so forth-organizations. I mean, wouldn't it be cool to see which organizations ruled over the other? We could also include some pure text-examples, like:

• Toshley's forces
  • Razak's Roughriders

I don't truly know how to handle this. Is there enough information for them? Some names are kind of trivial like the security force and they are probably non-existent anymore since the fall of the city. But if these names are "official" and have info then go on. The ones more trivial like the security team or the councils can be mentioned in the Gnomeregan nation page instead of creating one for them. --Ryon21 (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

If there's only one or two lines of lore, just add them to the Gnomeregan nation page instead of creating a new one Xporc (talk) 08:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)