Talk:Eredun

Demonic (Eredun) vs. Draenei (language)

This article should hold more about words from the in-game "'Demonic" in-game language more so than stuff from the "Draenei (language)", for example random stuff from Curse of Tongues or that the demons say in-game.

Sure its ok to make refrences to Draenei language as there is definitely a connection, but we don't know how much change has occured between the two languages in the 25,000 years that both cultures have had a chance to evolve. We also know that that many words have lost meaning to Draenei, or have changed meanings.

Both in the game and the RPG Eredun/Demonic and Draenei are treated as seperate languages, and any assumptions that they share exact same words/meanings is speculation as best.-Baggins 14:10, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

I leave the language sections in your hands. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:26, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Sentient vs. Sapient

"Knowing that other sentient beings would inevitably join the Legion"

This is directly quoted from World of Warcraft website. Both words while sounding somewhat similar, do not have exactly the same meaning. Look it up... :p... Changing it to "sapient" causes an accuracy issue.Baggins 07:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Warlocks should get Demonic

It makes no sense that a Warlock can do all of these things with Demons, yet they can't even understand the Demon language. What's worse is that Warlocks get Curse of Tongues, which forces the target to speak in Demonic; what logic is there to being able to force someone to speak a language you can't speak yourself?

• Blizzard could at least make Demonic a trainable passive ability (like being able to wear Plate for Warriors and Paladins, or Feline Grace for a Druid's Cat Form). Felindre

Yeah, we don't care, this isn't a forum. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Shaza'kiel

Valeera says this while possessed by a demonic entity. It is Eredun, not Thalassian, like the rest of the proceeding phrases. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Possible eredun on WoW items

Eredun or just random magical drawings?

I found this laying around in my screenshot folder, and was wondering if it were eredun. I dont remember what the shield is named, but I think it dropped from a eredar boss somewhere. TherasTaneel (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

That's the sigil of the Illidari, I don't think it has something to do with eredun

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 17:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Quite because it's the sigil of the illidari it should be Eredun. The main sigil resemble a lot Illidan's tatoo that were made by Sargeras if I'm not wrong and Eredun is the main language of the Legion. --N'Nanz (talk) 18:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but that's making the assumption that the tattoos are a phrase written in Eredun. That's like saying that if someone's given a tattoo by the President of the United States it means that it's a phrase written in English. The tattoo could easily be demonic sigils or simply a cool pattern. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

But above the sigil seems to be letters. TherasTaneel (talk) 23:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

How can you tell? To my knowledge, we haven't seen written Eredun anywhere. As I said, it could just as easily be generic demonic runes/sigils. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The only picture in the article says the contrary... --N'Nanz (talk) 13:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The same question applies to said picture. We can't assume that just because something is demonic automatically means it's written in Eredun. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Still the image in the article has more credibility as it appears in a spell used by an Eredar Warlock. This image is from the Illidari, although many of them are demons, I don't think Illidan would have put something written in Eredun as their banner. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the eredar in question is Archimonde, the same that wrote that complex Eredun runes that crushed Dalaran with a single finger-pick.. --N'Nanz (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not the picture I see in the article... -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Nanz doesn't mean that the image in the article is the one from the cinematic. He means that Archimonde is the same guy who make that runes and the one that use an in-game spell that shows the image in the article. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The shield in question is called  [Illidari Runeshield] by the way; norse runes would be equal to letters. But it is perhaps an assumption to think that the Illidari "business-language" is eredun, although I would say very likely. TherasTaneel (talk) 19:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems highly archaic so I think it might be an ancient language. Modern languages are less glyphic. This could possibly be ancient Thalassian or Darnassian because the Illdari are largely Blood Elven or Night Elves. BobNamataki (talk) 22:23, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Whatever it is, it probably isn't random. I doubt they would do that. BobNamataki (talk) 16:15, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Given it appears like a warped version of Draenic glyphs, like the Gift of the Naaru one, it could be a Demonic Eredun rune that perhaps represents or even flat out says "Illidan/Illidari" on it. It would probably be out of defiance to the Legion, to use their language to establish his image. Myrlen Midnightstar (talk) 06:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I'm seeing the wrong image, but this doesn't look anything similar to the rune/letter/whatever-it-might-be on the shield. --g0urra[T҂C] 06:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Hence "Warped." Do Lost ones look like Draenei? Not really. The two glyphs contain somewhat similar traits. The draenei one is asymmetrical, with a floating dot and several parts. The Illidari one has a few dots, a squiggle in the centre with crescent shapes above, with some even smaller runic engravings. That would probably illustrate the drastic difference between demonic glyphs and the draenic ones. Myrlen Midnightstar (talk) 07:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Archimonde's Spell

The spell sounds completely different to me. I think some needs reworking. Is this okay? BobNamataki (talk) 22:20, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Should the page be called "Demonic" instead?

It's just some speculation, yes, but wouldn't Demonic be the more appropriate name for the language of the demons? Eredun would obviously be the prime language spoken on Argus, while Demonic and Draenic dialects formed over time. Demonic grants incantations fel power, while Draenei makes them holy. The prime Eredun would probably invoke arcane, since Argus was before the Eredar who became the Draenei knew of the Light, or those who turned to the Man'ari knew of fel magics, and the world was stated to be a utopia built upon the mastery of the arcane. Figured I toss the idea out there. Myrlen Midnightstar (talk) 06:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

It should probably be noted that Eredun is not the only demonic language. It's just the common one used in the Legion. Each of the sentient demonic races (i.e. Nathrezim, Annihilan, Mo'arg, etc.) should have their own languages. -Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 19:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Nathrezim is not an Eredun word

"Nathrezim" being the name of the race predates the creation of the Legion and the adoption of Eredun as the common language: "While his confusion and misery deepened, Sargeras was forced to contend with another group intent on disrupting the Titans' order: the Nathrezim" Source.

The source cited for it (Death is Contagious) doesn't actually say it is Eredun. Just that it isn't Common. EDIT: I forgot to do the squiggles for the sig. -Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 19:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)