Talk:Dalaran (kingdom)

Why was this page redirecting to the main Dalaran page? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I deemed many comments there to be related to this.--SWM2448 02:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Did you mean to redirect to the main Dalaran TALK page, then? Because it was previously redirecting to the page itself. Still, I'd think the better option would be to simply copy the relevant discussion threads to this page rather than do a redirect, so that people can discuss this page separate from the main one. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 10:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

A typo. Dalaran started as a lore page itself, so lore-related discussion threads would mainly be there and its archives. Splitting the city off from the lore page in the stead of the reverse would have been better for the talk page.--SWM2448 22:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

unclear why, how

I'm unclear on something, and this article doesn't seem to address my query: Why, exactly, did the city of dalaran move to Northrend? And, HOW did it move? That seems like a massive amount of effort fFor the Kirin Tor to undertake. I'm guessing it was the Kirin Tor, anyway. This would seem to be a terrific place to discuss that, but I don't see anything on the subject, particularly. Skotte (talk) 06:06, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

In order to more effectively defend themselves against Malygos and the Blue Dragonflight, and with magic. Lots and lots of magic. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:28, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

But if Malygos some how stopped the "lesser races" from using magic, Dalaran would crash down like Netheril... Out of reach, but still crashable,...strange wizards TherasTaneel (talk) 06:32, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Moved?

Why was this page moved to a new name after all this?--SWM2448 22:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

If I'm not wrong, that split talks about separating the city from the nation/kingdom. Dalaran is the city, and Dalaran (lore) is the nation/kingdom. So, why has it to be named "lore" when it's clearly "kingdom"?

At least that was the initial (and more logical, imo) agreement, then you and Rgestorm decided to name it "lore". I haven't started yet, but I pretend adding info about Ambermill and Nethergarde to the kingdom page, info that is out of place at the city. All politics and general Dalaran stuff should go outside the city article.

PS @ Gourra: you're the one who started reverting others' work without any explanation at all, next time link the talk page directly.--Lon-ami (talk) 00:04, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, there's no such thing as the "kingdom" of Dalaran; it's a city-state. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Nethergarde and Ambermill? and anyway, it's called a kingdom/nation in several times, from 2 to WoW. Does the quest "The magical kingdom of Dalaran" ring a bell?--Lon-ami (talk) 00:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

There is no division or distinction between the kingdom and the city. The lore was just too much clutter back when the city was added into WoW.--SWM2448 00:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Err, again, as far as I know, Ambermill and Nethergarde are part of the kingdom, and not part of the city, which makes them different concepts. In my dictionary, that means division and distinction.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

If there's no complaints, am I able to move it back to kingdom?--Lon-ami (talk) 13:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I also prefer Kingdom instead of lore.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Even if we try and make a distinction between the city and the kingdom, this page is not about that.--SWM2448 16:20, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

It's about the story of Dalaran, it would be fine in its kingdom page. Also, there's no direct references to the page being a kingdom because I fear I'll be reverted if I do so, seeing how "this is only for lore". Seriously, is there any other page for "lore" alone in this wiki? I don't think so.--Lon-ami (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it was split because Dalaran became a "capital city" in Wrath of the Lich King, which with its information combined with the lore related to the city/kingdom would cause the article to be quite big. --g0urra[T҂C] 13:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

See Talk:Dalaran#Split? and Talk:Dalaran#Split now?. --g0urra[T҂C] 13:53, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but the point is that I'm going to make a kingdom page, and that page could house this without any problems at all. It's history about Dalaran, if the city doesn't have space, the kingdom would be the logical option. I don't see the point of having "city, kingdom and lore".--Lon-ami (talk) 14:03, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Active?

Are we sure that the kingdom still exists and didn't cease to exist after the Third War? --Mordecay (talk) 22:28, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Dalaran was always just a city-state anyway, so the kingdom is and always has been just the city of Dalaran. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue it doesn't exist when it's been an active part of the story since Wrath. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:12, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

City & Kingdom together?

The Kingdom/State/Magocracy of Dalaran has always been around the city itself and it may be the only human city-state since all the others nations had turned into bigger states with regions and minor cities and towns. Like Theremore is, maybe it would be better to put together the two pages. Also the majority of links (if not all) are linked to the city itself. You know, the story of the kingdom is the story of the city. About places like Ambermill or Dalaran Crater we can asume that they are or were affiliated to the Kirin Tor since all its people are mages of the organization. There is no hurry it is just a thought. Ryon21 (talk) 20:43, 24 November 2017(UTC)

In Warcraft II it was shown that Dalaran had villages and other compounds besides their home city, and as you say, Ambermill is proof that there is more than the city itself Xporc (talk) 19:48, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Also Nethergarde would (originally) be a part of the kingdom? --Mordecay (talk) 20:24, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Good point. Also Kirin'Var Village. Xporc (talk) 20:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

So some more changes and keeping the page. Wondering how much of the kingdom still exists since apart from the city anything else is destroyed. :// Ryon21 (talk) 00:30, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

Dalaran kingdom in the Third War

So only the city was destroyed in the war? No settlements neither Ambermill or any? And the people of this towns knew that their leaders were rebuilding the city inside the dome? --Ryon21 (talk) 16:19, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

While Dalaran was still in Alterac, we could see the ruins just outside the Dalaran bubble in-game. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 16:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

The world of Azeroth is much bigger than what is depicted in-game, the Legion and Scourge presumably destroyed several smaller Dalaran-affiliated villages and settlements. But yes, even in vanilla you could find Dalaran mages and craftsmen roaming around the Dalaran bubble Xporc (talk) 20:23, 17 December 2017 (UTC)