Talk:Ascension of the Lich King

See also User talk:Gabrirt/Illidan's forces campaign to the Frozen Throne

Cleanup

Should I begin?  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 00:44, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

If you want...--SWM2448 02:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't want. But a mess was made. And im always there with the broom of justice.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 02:17, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Name

The naming on this article seems, honestly, very clumsy. Before clean-up, it might be worthwhile moving it to a different name if we can figure one out. Everen (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Most certainly. If im not mistaken crusade implies religious war. Campaign to the Frozen Throne would be better.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 00:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm partial to 'The War for the Frozen Throne' myself, but it's all rather subjective. My main objection to the current title is the use of the term crusade, and the very clumsy 'Illidan's forces xxx'. If the term Illidari existed at this point in the story, I'd suggest using it, but instead we could just cut out the Forces in the title and it'd parse much more smoothly. Everen (talk) 01:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

"The War for the Frozen Throne" seems to be the least clumsy wording, yeah. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't really a war to own the Frozen Throne though. It was Illidan trying to stop the merge of Arthas and Ner'zhul.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 01:30, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

It was Illidan trying to destroy the Lich King, and Arthas trying to stop him. The merger wasn't really a thing that was even mentioned until Arthas got up to the top of the Frozen Throne. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Since Illidan was working with the Legion at the time and the Legion wanted the Scourge back under their control and not Ner'zhul's. Perhaps it could be called "Liberation of the Scourge" ? 01:41, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I doubt Kil'jaeden's goal was to "liberate" the Scourge. It seems he wanted to kill the Lich King to destroy the Scourge or to have a new puppet Lich King. --Cemotucu (talk) 02:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I meant Arthas had that goal.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 02:57, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Except that as far as Arthas was concerned, the Scourge was already "liberated" since with the deaths of Tichondrius and Archimonde they were no longer under the control of the Legion. The entire point of the conflict was that Illidan was trying to destroy the Frozen Throne and Arthas was trying to stop him. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Why don't name the article Illidari Wars or Illidan's war? After all the whole events of the Frozen Throne(except for the Rexxar and Orgrimmar) involved Illidan and stuff. --Sairez (talk) 18:05, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Calling it "Illidan's War" wouldn't be very clear (as there was another war with Illidan's forces in The Burning Crusade). The plot of The Frozen Throne revolved around the Frozen Throne (with one side trying to destroy it and the other trying to protect it). A title like "War for the Frozen Throne" would make it very clear what's being referred to. Egrem (talk) 02:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

While I see and concede to your point about Illidari's war, the "War for the Frozen Throne" just gives the impression that the war was carried out by forces trying to control the Frozen Throne...when it was just the Scourge trying to survive and Illidan and his forces trying to destroy the Lich King. --Sairez (talk) 03:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, around that time Blizzard was kind of selling the story as though it were about Illidan and Arthas attempting to do just that. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I think that if we explain the true motives of the "War for the Frozen Throne", it will work fine. But as Zeratul and Egrem said, all the expansion and battles and war revovles around the Frozen Throne. It's the more fitting title, but we there isn't another more fitting and explanatory. We should explain the reasons in the text itself, I think. --Cemotucu (talk) 12:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

If this conflict was never named. I question this pages existence entirely.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 19:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, to be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure it's generally considered to be part of the Third War. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The Third war ended with Archmonde's end. This is pretty symbolic also. The liberation of Illidan and of the Scourge were the major consequences that caused an...

• ...Aftermath of the Third war
  • Ascension of the Lich King
  • Civil War in Plaguelands

And the conflict Invasion of Outland was never named and existed anyway. Antoher thin g is about the Burning Legion: Kil'Jaeden hired Illidan but him or any of his minons did not moved a single finger to help him and also Magtheridon's forces confronted him. He was not really "backed" at all.Gabrirt (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Reviving, again! UVG titled these events as Ascension of the Lich King. Can we move this page to that name?--Mordecay (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

That or Rise of the Lich King as it's labeled in the UVG's timeline. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2015 (UTC)