User talk:Mltco78dhs
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Signing
It's been noticed you haven't been properly signing your comments on talk pages. I'd like to remind you using four tildes (~~~~) will automatically produce your name and date. If you can not find the tilde key there are two other ways to sign your posts. Above the edit box is a button ( 
) and towards the bottom while editing is a box of many useful inserts, which also contains the four tildes.
The reason we'd like you to sign your posts is that Wowpedia is not a forum where it automatically states who posted and when it was posted, signing (with a date) will make it clear and easier to follow a conversation, or tell how old a conversation is. Thank you for understanding. -- Pcj (T•C) 17:33, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- I've stuck "Mltco78dhs (talk) 18:14, 13 August 2017 (UTC)" at the end of virtually every post I've made or in the summary. Perhaps if it's in the summary, it's not picked up? I, too, have noticed that on occasion, a post that i *know* I just typed the four tildes in, shows up as unsigned. Been trying to find a pattern. I'll keep looking. Is there somewhere specific it needs to be? On it's own line perhaps, or set off by something (even a space - I've just been ending posts with the four tildes). Let me know and I'll do it. It's a puzzle why some work and some don't. I'm sure I'm just missing something about how precisely to do it.
- Hahahahah. Obviously it doesn't matter where. I deliberately had a few in there (and a few references by just 'the four tildes') to see what would happen.Mltco78dhs (talk) 18:16, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Not in the summary, that actually doesn't change into the signature there. You do it at the end of your post on talk pages. --Pcj (T•C) 18:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- That might be the issue. Honestly, I was just typing it "when I was done" which was quite often when I entered the summary information. It would probably explain the hit-or-miss nature of it not showing up. I'll pay more attention.Mltco78dhs (talk) 18:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Not in the summary, that actually doesn't change into the signature there. You do it at the end of your post on talk pages. --Pcj (T•C) 18:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Hahahahah. Obviously it doesn't matter where. I deliberately had a few in there (and a few references by just 'the four tildes') to see what would happen.Mltco78dhs (talk) 18:16, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Still having signature issues
Attempted an edit on Making A Macro.
Adding signature to my edit resulted in the signature appearing in the body of the page when the change was saved.
Adding signature to the summary resulted in no signature in the history.
Where, again, am I supposed to put this? I'm attempting to follow the guidelines, but I'm getting irregular results.Mltco78dhs (talk) 23:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- You only do it on talk pages, not content pages. In the body of the talk page after your comments. --Pcj (T•C) 23:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well that makes sense. Sorry. <sheepish grin> Dang, I was struggling hard with that. I'm working my way (slowly) through that guide. It's badly wrong in places, but I'm trying to "prove" the errors before I report them. That's a lengthy process, as you can imagine. I don't know who wrote that article, but it is full of false assumptions and missed syntax and inappropriately informal language and . . . and . . . and . . . and . . . . I'll do what I can with it in pieces. I'd hoped to create a draft document to show a moderator, but I have no idea where I'd even put that, and creating a "punch list" of errors on that page turned into a project on its own (there are just so very many). For now, as I run into things I see that are wrong, I'm making the changes immediately. I'm also trying keep any emotional content out of my summaries, but I'm pretty sure an implied "dumbass" is slipping through now and then. I'm a very direct person. Nuance is difficult for me. But I spent more than 25 years in IT, much of it doing technical writing. I think I can whip this (and many other pages) into shape (eventually - if I live long enough [I'm 56 now and not in the best of health]).Mltco78dhs (talk) 23:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Re:Click
Unless you have further comments on Talk:API Button Click, I'm going to revert the page to the original wording soon. — foxlit (talk) 09:41, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Blocked
I've blocked you for 7 days for reasons described on Talk:API GetTime#Time since startup?:
Your language in these comments (and many others in your contribution history) is simply not acceptable on Wowpedia. You're more than welcome to contribute improvements to the API documentation, but please do so without shitting on everyone else's contributions, the personal attacks, and the constant rudeness in edit summaries and on talk pages. To emphasize this point, I'm going to block you for 7 days, and warn you that continuing with this behavior will result in longer blocks in the future.
Please take this time to reflect on your behavior, and be more civil in the future. — foxlit (talk) 22:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Edit summaries
Hey! Just a quick note, it's not necessary to add the "4x ~" in edit summaries. PeterWind (talk) 17:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Tone
Hey, watching the exchange on Talk:API UnitThreatSituation, am I correct in assuming this to be your thread? PeterWind (talk) 14:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes - that is my thread. It is not within the scope of your purview to deal with what I say there although I stand by it. My tone here has been critical, but not abusive at all. Stating facts, even when the "fact" is that "I find this unclear" is not abusive. If you're going to start censoring things like that you might as well give up on this wiki. My concerns about what I was unclear about were clearly stated. The author I was responding to had several glaring factual errors in his criticism of my own questions (how anyone could list 0-4 and then claim that there are four integral return values based on that I don't know - as well as the fact that the return values aren't even 0-4, they're nil, 0, 1, 2, and 3 (something I also explained)). My history with this wiki (at least in its older form) is that criticism is consisdred to be abuse. That's (pardon the term) idiotic. Criticism is how you open debate. No one ever learned anything or taught anyone anything by saying "This is just perfect as it stands - I wonder if we should change it." There was, and is, just criticism about that page that I gave and I explained why I said it. One user responded by mansplaining the function return values to me (incorrectly) and I spanked him for it by correcting him.Mltco78dhs (talk) 17:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- No need to jump to conclusions. Obviously you can say what you like elsewhere, although I wish you wouldn't trash talk the wiki and its editors as you do. You are being unnecessarily confrontational. I simply want to remind you that as this place is driven by the community who are all here on their own volition, nobody has to help you. You might find that people are more likely to want to help you if you don't burn too many bridges for no good reason. This of course leads back to my initial question. You may not find your tone to be abusive, but perhaps you notice a trend in responses your recieve. Is it simply a case of everybody else being in the wrong, or would it be that hard to act a little friendlier when asking for a favor? PeterWind (talk) 22:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- just jumping in to point out that your tone here on the wiki absolutely has been rude at times—both in the past and recently. on this very talk page you say another editor “babbled incoherently.” that’s not neutral criticism or just stating a fact; it’s a dismissive jab. a wiki is built on collaboration among many people, and to that end, everyone needs to be civil and show basic respect for each other regardless of any disagreements. please consider this in the future. Eithris (talk) 17:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
UI and Macro forum topic
Concerning https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/unitthreatsituation/1056576/5 since I don't have an active sub and I'm in Europe.
If you're referring to foxlit, he reverts/removes all bad edits equally including mine. And he extensively discussed it with you in Talk:API Button Click.
As for writing style guidelines, we only have Project:How to edit API pages. But I just try to be concise and avoid being verbose.
I don't understand this whole problem. It's a wiki, if you don't like it, edit it and be nice to other people. Foxlit is no longer active anyway. Creating a thread on the official blizzard forums about it is understandable but still a rather odd thing to do. I already tried updating API UnitThreatSituation after your first feedback.
To be honest, you keep stating "you spent more than 30 years in IT, most of it as a technical writer". But you don't seem to understand the game's mechanics as shown on Talk:API UnitThreatSituation. If you're a technical writer, then you should be more than able to understand badly written documentation and improve on them.
Ketho (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Technical writing is not about knowing everything about the subject you're writing about. It's about asking the necessary questions to frame the information in a way that makes it accessible to all of your target audience. The table on that page is incomplete. That's not opinion. It's fact. It covers TWO of the FOUR color-response situations. The X and check-mark indicators make it OBVIOUS that the table is incomplete because the "situations" that it "explains" are non-existent on the table. I stated that there. The author who criticized my input ON THE TALK PAGE babbled incoherently about 0-4 being the four return values when the return values are nil, 0, 1, 2, and 3. If you're going to post a table like that it needs to cover ALL of the "situations" to which threat applies, not just two of the four (or five if you count "not the threat table at all" as a threat situation).
I spend 18 months creating and updating entries here with sometimes HOURS of research on individual entries only to have a) Foxlit get a bug up his butt about me and revert one change after another with vague reasons given and b) Fandom blowing away virtually all of my work (I suspect they froze the wiki when they first offered to buy it and just reverted to that when they went live).
I've no intention of rewarding them for that behavior.
I don't think you quite understand what "technical writers" do - we do what I was attempting to do on the talk page - grind out the details of what is there until it can be presented fully, accurately, and simply. I made it clear going in that I did not understand that particular mechanic. I understood the FUNCTION just fine - it has five return values - four of which are dealt with by color-changing of the NPC health bar. But the table listed doesn't cover the full scope of the "situations" and what is there is not mapped to those situations.
Apparently I'm not allowed to do that here.
Foxlit's behavior at the time was egregious enough that I got an apology from someone in the old management team, a written acknowledgement of my value as a contributor, a request to return to duty (so to speak), and my mute lifted, and for a while he wasn't listed as an MVP or whatever that uber-user rank was back then.
As to why I posted on the forums, I was looking for a better explanation that this wiki provided. I gave the information about the wiki itself to head off any "just look at the wiki" responses.
From my post (the final two lines):
"Anyone who can chime in on this, please do.
I’m working on another ADA extension for ElvUI and I’m stuck on how to interpret the data coming back from this function."
Mltco78dhs (talk) 17:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Whatever beef you have with Fandom, I suggest you take it up with them instead of us. Bringing Foxlit into the story is hardly relevant to the current situation as he's not edited here for more than two years. There's nothing wrong, in and of itself, with asking for second opinions, elsewhere, on an article here. The issue is the timeframe and the language. Perhaps if you had given people here time to respond before badmouthing the wiki externally. PeterWind (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)