Talk:Third War

The commanders

Why are there commanders shown to have been killed during the third war when they only visibly mentioned, and certainly slain in TFT, which was after the third war. Even more strange, is how if this is including TFT, why are only some commanders mentioned and others left out? Warden Shadowsong (talk) 11:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Because I did the commanders thing off the top of my head. If its wrong, change it.--TheUltimate (talk) 00:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be Northrend in the places section? After all, there were several skirmishes fought there when Arthas tracked the scourge there, and slew Mal'ganis. (Okolorion (talk) 8:03, 1 March, 2009.

In game reference

'The Third War' is the name players of the warcraft games would know this war by as it was chronicled in the third game. However, it does not really make sense for the inhabitants of Azeroth to call it this way. As the war is only casually related to the other wars. I know, there are perhaps more than casual relations between the wars but not so much that the witnesses of these wars would be likely to see them as a series of three wars. In real world history, wars are usually only seen as being part of a series when the sides in the wars are more or less the same. Especially the Night-Elves and Tauren, who did not experience the first two wars would not be likely to call this the third war. I could pose suggestions as to what they would be likely to call it but I am not trying to start a forum discussion here. So my point/question is: Is there any source material available for how the various inhabitants of azeroth call/see this war? Or is this just a looked-over issue? Like a little flaw in Warcraft lore. I am inclined to think it is the latter: I know for starters that there is at least a reference to it in the Death Knight talent: 'Veteran of the Third war'. Are there not also in game books that refer to it as such? If there is more available on this subject, I'm guessing it might be worth including it in the page. --Fransbal (talk) 11:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Other Orcs

Hellscream and his Warsong Clan were pretty big players in the struggles of the Third War! Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the orcs under Thrall's command weren't all Frostwolf, but didn't they include members of the various freed clans that had been assembled? He is 'Lord of the Clans' after all. Not that each clan needs to be listed since at this point; they were all united as one force, but some kind of single credit should be given to this entire group if I'm right about this, not just the Frostwolves. ---Rotgar (talk) 17:33, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the Warsong Clan did play a critical role in the Horde's progress in Kalimdore, providing warriors and raw materials. They fight they started is still being fought (Warsong Gulch). Also the New Horde was made up of the orcs in the interment camps, meaning the various clans that were left behind on Azeroth all had some part due to the fact most of them had members in Interment camps. It's not like every orc is now a member of the Frostwolf clan because Thrall freed them. Gorlack2231 (talk) 19:39, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree. I'd like to edit this, however I can only seem to edit the "war" template itself. Might not be the right place to ask, but how to I go about making these changes?---Rotgar (talk) 18:50, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Scratch that, I've figured it out, I'll change this shortly unless anyone disagrees. ---Rotgar (talk) 20:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Combatants update

I've updated the combatants section, felt some of the orc info wasn't entirely correct, the Night Elves were missing some of their allies/organizations, and that the list needed to be better formatted/organized. ---Rotgar (talk) 20:57, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Blackrock Clan

Didn't they serve under the Legion during this war?  High Warlord Gentleman MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 19:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I think yes, at least they worshiped them.--Mordecay (talk) 20:02, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Seems enough a reason to add them under the Legion  High Warlord Gentleman MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 20:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Clearly, the Blackrock allegiance is the main topic of this talk page - and I don't think the talk is over yet. I too feel like they should be listed as Legion supporters (Because that's what they were), but is there some way of putting it up to a vote maybe? --Amargaard (talk) 13:44, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

What's the problem? Xporc (talk) 15:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

The problem is that the Blackrock Orcs are fighting the Scourge in the Undead Campaign, and suddenly everyone thinks they should be listed under the mortal races against the Burning Legion. This is where their allegiance is currently placed according to the war-template. But they fought the Scourge to guard a demon portal, believing themselves to be the true supporters of the Legion. Earlier on they fought the humans of Lordaeron. They always fought for the Burning Legion - thus they should be listed as thus.--Amargaard (talk) 09:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

No objection from me, you can fix it. Xporc (talk) 11:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

The Changes

I'll give some answer to my changes:

• The Blackrock fought against the Alliance of Lordaeron (Mortal races side) to sacrificew humans to pleasure the Burning Legion Demon Lords. But the legion was already concerned that the orcs failed in their mission to weaken Azeroth's defenses for the Second Invasion, and so created the undead Scourge that fought against the Blackrock of Lordaeron that was guarding the Demon gate and were refusing to accept that the legion rejected them.
• Again: the Forsaken were created after the Civil War in Pleaguelands, and article that still needs an warbox.
• The Kul Tiras fleet made its participation during the war, but was not very efficient...

Anyone whom doubt of my changes, ask here before undoing...Gabrirt (talk) 22:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Again: the Blackrock clan of Lordaeron made it's participation battling against both the Alliance of Lordaeron and against the Undead Scourge being twice won by Arthas. By opposing both the mortal races and the forces of the Burning Legion (Scourge) they get to be absolutely crushed.

Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 01:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Timeline?

Does anyone know of one? How long was the Third War? How long did it take for the Scourge to enter Lordaeron? How long was Arthas in Northrend? How long did it take for the Scourge under Arthas to take over Lordaeron and invade Silvermoon? Inquiring minds want to know! D: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RogeSoja (talk · contr). 23 November 2012

Belligerents changes

It didn't feel really appropriate to give the Blackrock clan their own section, since in retrospect they aren't that significant compared to all other mortal races and the Burning Legion. I moved them to the mortal races. Humans and orcs and night elves all fought each other at points but are still on the same side, so I summarized the Blackrock clan there too. Ultimately they were killed by the Scourge on the order of the Burning Legion, so it doesn't really matter who they thought they were following. Also, I gave the Scourge their own section in replacement, since their betrayal was very significant and they were strong enough to be their own fraction, and also couldn't be paired with anyone else. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 20:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Despite the battles opposing the Horde, Human Expedition and night elves, they, at the end of accounts, entered on a alliance to defeat their common enemy. The Blackrock clan based in Lordaeron fought both sides until their end. Also, the Scourge just defected the Burning Legion after the end of the Third War.Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 14:28, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

They are still part of mortal races and not big enough of a faction to merit their own section. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 03:50, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

This infobox is a big mess anyway. Xporc (talk) 10:09, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I did my best to clean it up. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I must disagree. They, the Blackrock clan of Lordaeron, can be classified as mortals but fought off both sides. They oppose the AoL by fighting them off to obtain human sacrifices for the Burning Legion to serve them but the Legion had already forsaken them for the coming of the Undead Scourge. In a desperate attempt to be readmitted by the Legion the Blackrock clan of Lordaeron fought off also the Scourge, in practice, directly opposing both sides. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 13:15, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

The humans, orcs, and night elves fought each other too. The Blackrock orcs thought they were on the same side as the Burning Legion but they never were. Cenarius/Grom/Illidan/Garithos/Anasterian/Daelin/etc. were never in anything resembling an alliance yet they're all grouped together. The Scourge defected with Arthas directly caused Tichondrius' death, before the war was over. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 17:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

It's because they fought a common enemy, even not be directly allied. And the Scourge was present on the Battle for Mount Hyjal; they did not defected at all until so. Arthas, under Ner'zhul orders, sneak an information to Illidan about Tichondrius and the Skull of Gul'dan wile they connivantly serve the Legion. They were just able to get free from the Legion just after it get actually defeated. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 15:33, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I researched it a little more clearly and now see yes, the Scourge didn't truly defect until after Hyjal and Arthas talking to Illidan shouldn't be enough on its own. However, I did a lot of work a long time ago to make sure that all pages use the same type of style with the cross because it used to be different on every page. And then you made a lot more work for me by forcing me to go back and fix a ton of pages again. So stop screwing with that. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 20:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Could you guys discuss the cross things here? Xporc (talk) 21:01, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

The same type of style? So why you don't discuss the things here to create a pattern OR start to patterning the short cross style? Xporc have already agreed as well with me that not having space between the name and the cross "is better actually". Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 16:20, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Also yes Kael said he was in Dalaran but he left before Arthas attacked. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 17:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

The Chaos War

Here's the excerpt from the manual:

Your first choice when making a character is your race. The eight races in WoW are divided into two factions: the Horde and the Alliance. At one time in Azeroth's past, the Horde was a force of evil, and the Alliance was a bastion of good. However, in today's war-torn Azeroth, such black and white distinctions are gone. Both factions are simply fighting to preserve their way of life in the wake of the Chaos War.

The Chaos War seems to be the name for the war in World of Warcraft rather than the Third War.--Mordecay (talk) 18:19, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

"Wake of" means "after," I think.[1]--SWM2448 21:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh, right then. --Mordecay (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

NPC revert

See Forum:NPC tags. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 20:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)