Talk:Horde of Draenor

Horde

Theres been alot of edit wars recently. I'd rather us just discuss it here. Instead of in change notes.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 18:54, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

"keep in mind the Horde never went away it's always been the same Horde. It's still the Horde." Really? What exactly is the same, except of the Warsong Clan? This Horde was destroyed and only the remaining clans joined the others hordes, does it mean that it is affiliated with the current Horde?--Mordecay (talk) 19:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

No. You see it's a splinter group of the main Horde. The Horde was never formed in WC3, it was just revived, this would mean that since it came from the Original Horde it should be marked as Horde. Besides it has Horde in the bloody name.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 20:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Such a news! I did not know that you are from Blizzard... you should not dare to say what was never said. All what is known is that it was destroyed before the Horde´s creation so is nonsense that it is a splinter group. Where do you see and source your "citation"? --Mordecay (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The Horde was formed at Warcraft 1. It never died it remained the same organization, that is common fact. This organization was formed during Warcraft 2. The Horde we know today is the same as in Warcraft 1 but it has major changes.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 21:54, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

What exactly is a common fact? Old Horde WAS destroyed, read the books first ;) I would say that common fact is that the Old and New Horde aren´t the same organizations. However... what exactly the "horde icon" is reffering to? I take it as it is refering to the organization which was created by Thrall during the Third war, not the all hordes from Draenor... Correct me if I am mistaken. --Mordecay (talk) 15:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Lord of the Clans establishes that the Horde under Orgrim is the same organization as the one under Thrall. The Horde Player's Guide used to confirm this. Ner'zhul's Horde is separate.--SWM2448 03:01, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I guess it really just depends if you consider splinter group such as Dark Horde and New Alliance to be actual Horde and Alliance or not.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 03:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Splinter groups like the New Alliance are ultimately loyal to the Alliance, while splinter groups like the Dark Horde and the Horde of Draenor believe that they are the "true Horde" and as such are enemies of the Horde. --Sairez (talk) 05:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

So the conclusion - keep or revert the icon?--Mordecay (talk) 09:18, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I think we should use the vote system to determine that since. However I'm not sure on how to create it. So could someone just create a vote thing, that way it's a majority...I can see both sides of the situation and honestly believe a vote is the only way to settle this forever. --Sairez (talk) 17:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

This affiliation craze is insane. Use citation, not majority opinion.--SWM2448 17:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe this article should just be merged with History of the Horde  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 18:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

We might as well merge all Horde and Alliance pages... but I think that would be stupid.--SWM2448 18:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Why is that?  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 20:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Though they have continuous parts, there are splinter factions.--SWM2448 00:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The only problem I find is. And this mainly why I liked game mechanics. The Fel Horde and Dark Horde are openly hostile to the current Horde. But they call themselves the "True Horde". So are they Horde? Or are they neutral. By game mechanics certainly not. But by lore they technically are.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 00:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The playable Horde is the main Horde, both irrefutably from an out-of-universe perspective, and also from an in-universe perspective, as Thrall is Orgrim's successor. The Dark Horde and the Fel Horde are not "Horde" factions or neutral, they are hostile.--SWM2448 00:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

So should I mark them as combat than?  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 03:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

All this fuss over an icon... I really don't want to set a needless standard.--SWM2448 21:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we just shouldn't have them at all. Affiliations is more specific anyway.  The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 21:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Aiden Perenolde

Isn't him just an ally of the HoD instead a direct member? I'm removing him for now. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 15:48, 14 April 2017 (UTC)