Talk:Hakkar the Houndmaster

I doubt he is eredar, for he is decsribed with large curving horns and eredar have stubby ones.--SWM2448 20:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Fiend or Mo'arg, then? I find it unlikely that he's a Nathrezim. Maybe a Tothrezim or an Ered'ruin, even?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Mo'arg Fel Guards also come later and are discribed seperately. I favor one of the doomguard races, though unlikely, do not rule out that he could also be unique.--SWM2448 01:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

All right; "Unknown" in the infobox, then, and I'll draft a note about the race that'll go at the end. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I asked Knaak through submission of an interview question what species Hakkar is, but he said he wouldn't say. Either there isn't actually one planned out specifically or there's more to Hakkar than we realise. --Timolas (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It's possible that one was never planned and that Knaak doesn't have or doesn't want to vocalize his own opinion. I hope that nothing further is planned with him, as two completely unrelated characters named Hakkar causing trouble would be too confusing. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

One thing that i have thought about when it come to the time line "change" when Hakkar is killed in the War of the Ancients, is that maybe an alternate timeline was created when he was killed. And that Nozdormu sent Rhonin and Krasus to the future that they came from, and not the one that was created. ----Lakarialstraz

Time was merely a setback?

With demons being only truly killable in the Nether would it be safe to change this undead demon's status?VisionOfPerfection (talk) 16:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection

That's not something that was made explicit; he could very well still be dead. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Why is he undead now?--SWM2448 19:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Because I don't create exceptions to the rule? We are given proof that demons can also be undead and Hakkar is a fleshless skeleton. The question is why isn't he considered undeadVisionOfPerfection (talk) 08:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection

He was described as having a skeletal appearance, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was actually an undead skeleton. It's possible his race simply looks that way. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hakkar had no flesh or blood and if demons can also be undead I don't understand why Hakkar isn't an undead demon. Perhaps Hakkar was just a demon despite having no flesh or blood? Like the Fel Wolves, Hakkar is just a fleshless skeleton with a demonic soul or is a skeleton imbued with fel energies. I just believe Blizzard needs to be more strict ya'know? =]. I just want Blizzard to state, "hey VisionOfPerfection, skeletons imbued with fel energy aren't demons" or "demons NEED to have flesh and blood".

Honestly, I have no clue what makes a demon a demon or what makes an undead an undead. Undead are those who have died and were "reanimated" or "brought back from the dead". Those who were transformed into demons had their bodies destroyed and demons can only be killed in the Twisting Nether. Mannoroth is undead in Patch 6.2 why? Did Gul'dan reanimate Mannoroth's bones and summon his soul from the Twisting Nether? The PC Warlocks summon the same demons after they (the demons) die, so are Warlocks simply summoning and controlling their demonic souls or do those demons generate a new body on their own or do Warlocks summon their souls and make them inhabit bodies? Wouldn't that make the PC warlocks Necromancers? I've yet to understand why demons are living entities. If you ask me all demons are just as undead as Meryl Felstorm. Meryl Felstorm is undead why? He doesn't look undead, he just had a boo boo and sustained himself with magic.VisionOfPerfection (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection

Wielding Fel magic is like fixing a machine and in Mannoroth's encounter Gul'dan reanimates Mannoroth's bones then gives him flesh, so perhaps those who were transformed into demons were killed, reanimated, then somehow returned to fully living and aren't undead?VisionOfPerfection (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection

Where are you getting that "those who were transformed into demons had their bodies destroyed"? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:49, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Those who were transformed into demons had their bodies destroyed/reshaped...(e.g Sargeras reshaped Eredar, Sargeras took pieces of Xavius body and fashioned a new body, Xavius reshaped Pero'than's body).

Simply growing horns, claws, etc, and having felblood in your body is obviously not enough to be a demon, or is it? =O Perhaps it is, I don't know...I just know that fel orcs and felblood elves possess demonic features and contain felblood in their bodies and they're not demons, just fel-corrupted. Teron'gor had felblood in his body before he turned into a bloated monster and he wasn't classified as a demon.

Consuming felblood caused Gul'dan and Kilrogg to suffer from necrosis and they didn't even turn into demons, just imagine what becoming a demon entails.VisionOfPerfection (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection

Heck, Illidan's demons were purged of entropic fel Green corruption and were still called demons..Apparently demons don't need to have fel Green corruption to be called demons >.>, we might as well stick the demon label on Blood Elves and Orcs while we're at it lol. >.> VisionOfPerfection (talk) 19:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection