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Is this necessary?
Like with Golka, the two Ga'nars really don't seem to be any different except for the circumstances around their death. Should they really have two separate articles? ReignTG (talk) 18:44, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- Like I said before, the reason why I did it was so the relatives will lead you to the originals while the other Ga'nar will lead you to the alternate timeline characters. (Shammiesgun (talk) 20:04, 13 September 2014 (UTC))
- That's not a good reason to create a separate page. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Move
Should we refactor this and the alternate universe page to follow standard naming convention? Xporc (talk) 08:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- No, I think we should keep this page at "Ga'nar (main universe)" and the WoD page at simply "Ga'nar", because the main universe Ga'nar is only mentioned in a handful of lore sources and never in-game, whereas the WoD Ga'nar is an important NPC that Horde players in Frostfire Ridge interact with quite regularly and is relevant to a greater number of pages (Frostfire Ridge quests, for one thing). Basically, when someone is looking for Ga'nar, they're probably more likely to be looking for the WoD Ga'nar than the MU Ga'nar. --
DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 18:00, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Iron Horde Blackhand appeared much more than old-school Blackhand, and yet he still has a "alternate universe" page. It's annoying that no one commented on that forum thread besides us... I'd like to reach a consensus Xporc (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- He may have appeared much more in WoW, but in Warcraft overall? Not by a long shot. More critically, the two are also significantly different characters. The only difference with MU Ga'nar is "he died earlier." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'm with DarkTZeratul and DeludedTroll on this one. ReignTG (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Then if the only difference is "he died earlier", why have separate pages? Xporc (talk) 18:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I find their naming convention very inconsistent. A simple name should always refer to a main universe character in my opinion for consistency and ease of understanding, and if it's a character from another timeline or medium then it should be mentioned next to their name : "Name (alternate universe)" or "Name (movie universe)", that's it. Currently sometimes "Name" refers to a "real", MU character, sometimes an AU character, doesn't look good.
- As for the "but what if the MU version doesn't exist, why add "(alternate universe") to the other one?" then it would make things even more explicit, people would know instantly that character X existed in the AU but no the MU. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I agree on this one. There should be a consistent method. Outsiders to the Warcraft universe shouldn't be guided to characters according to which version of that character is more important ingame, but by a uniform approach. Whitrix (talk)19:20, 27 March 2017 (UTC).
- What I'm bothered with is that, ten years from now, maybe Ga'nar (the MU one) will have his own book, or even appear in the movies, while the WoD Ga'nar could have been completely forgotten due to its irrelevancy. I don't like making alternate universes more important than main universes just because an extension happened a few years ago. Doesn't feel like a sustainable solution Xporc (talk) 19:32, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Frankly, they probably don't need separate pages. As for what might happen in the future... If MU Ga'nar somehow gets a bunch of his own media that doesn't apply to the AU version, we can revisit it then. But that seems, frankly, unlikely, and right now the Ga'nar that did nothing and died without ever making a real appearance is far more likely to be completely forgotten in irrelevancy than the one who's a major NPC throughout an entire zone's storyline. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:40, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- It's still another valid reason in favor of what was stated above. Though for now in this specific case 1 page for both characters would do the trick. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 21:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'd say the consistency in this case is having the more prominent one go without the MU/AU tag, as we did with Rulkan. And WoD's Ga'nar is the more prominent of the two. We can't say "maybe some day MU Ga'nar will become a big deal" because we can't predict the future; while he may, he also has just as much of a chance of never being mentioned again after Chronicle.
- Though (and I'm sure you guys are probably getting sick of me saying this) in examples like Ga'nar, Rulkan, Rukhmar, and Sethe where the AU/MU are identical except for "and then he died at x" or one of them barely does anything at all, I just vouch for merging the pages.ReignTG (talk) 21:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I do agree with merging the pages (I think? if it doesn't cause any issue with infoboxes or other stuff), but not with the prominent thing. It makes sense from the point of view of someone who knows about the characters and the articles, but from an outsider point of view it is confusing for certain plain name pages to be about real MU characters and others being about AU characters. Consistency would be having the same thing for all things. So from that point of view it would be best for MU characters to have a plain name, and for others to have a tag, such as "(alternate universe)", even if there is no MU counterpart, which would make it even more explicit that "X (alternate universe)" does not exist in the MU. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 21:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- That for sure isn't going to happen. The disambiguation tags do not exist to provide information, but to differentiate pages with the same name. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I do agree with merging the pages (I think? if it doesn't cause any issue with infoboxes or other stuff), but not with the prominent thing. It makes sense from the point of view of someone who knows about the characters and the articles, but from an outsider point of view it is confusing for certain plain name pages to be about real MU characters and others being about AU characters. Consistency would be having the same thing for all things. So from that point of view it would be best for MU characters to have a plain name, and for others to have a tag, such as "(alternate universe)", even if there is no MU counterpart, which would make it even more explicit that "X (alternate universe)" does not exist in the MU. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 21:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- It's still another valid reason in favor of what was stated above. Though for now in this specific case 1 page for both characters would do the trick. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 21:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Frankly, they probably don't need separate pages. As for what might happen in the future... If MU Ga'nar somehow gets a bunch of his own media that doesn't apply to the AU version, we can revisit it then. But that seems, frankly, unlikely, and right now the Ga'nar that did nothing and died without ever making a real appearance is far more likely to be completely forgotten in irrelevancy than the one who's a major NPC throughout an entire zone's storyline. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:40, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- What I'm bothered with is that, ten years from now, maybe Ga'nar (the MU one) will have his own book, or even appear in the movies, while the WoD Ga'nar could have been completely forgotten due to its irrelevancy. I don't like making alternate universes more important than main universes just because an extension happened a few years ago. Doesn't feel like a sustainable solution Xporc (talk) 19:32, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I agree on this one. There should be a consistent method. Outsiders to the Warcraft universe shouldn't be guided to characters according to which version of that character is more important ingame, but by a uniform approach. Whitrix (talk)19:20, 27 March 2017 (UTC).
- I'm with DarkTZeratul and DeludedTroll on this one. ReignTG (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- He may have appeared much more in WoW, but in Warcraft overall? Not by a long shot. More critically, the two are also significantly different characters. The only difference with MU Ga'nar is "he died earlier." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Iron Horde Blackhand appeared much more than old-school Blackhand, and yet he still has a "alternate universe" page. It's annoying that no one commented on that forum thread besides us... I'd like to reach a consensus Xporc (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Since Ga'nar is the only page left on the wiki with a "main universe" disambiguation tag (Hellfire Citadel might join it soon tho), is it ok to move it now? Xporc (talk) 12:00, 19 August 2017 (UTC)