Talk:Dimensius the All-Devouring

Perhaps the description/tactics/sources should be redone/removed. Would like to know what others think before I do. The sources almost certainly should be removed, as it seems to be from pre-release days, and the external links setup has worked fine in the past, but if the data is taken directly from the website then it should remain until it has been redone.Coolcat600 00:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Pop Reference

reference to Galactimus the World-Devourer? anyone? Pudim17 (talk) 18:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

World Boss

Despite the fact that he's obsolete, I wish they would upgrade him, and maybe Nexus-King Salhadaar to world boss status, like Terokk. Give them some nice BC loot, maybe a cool vanity item, and make them repeatable! At 80, I can solo, and really enjoy the fights, so I don't have the heart to turn in the quests once I'm done. I wish I wouldn't have finished  [15-30] The Battle of Darrowshire and  [60G] In Dreams. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skulkerart (talk · contr).

Masters

Discussion time : "I long for the day our masters can truly pass into this realm" - dagger

"our masters" here has to refer to the Void Lords.

• The Old Gods' only masters are the Void Lords. There's no one else.

• Chronicle explained that the Void Lords had trouble manifesting in the Great Dark and that only the most powerful ones could. This matches Xal'atath's wish that one day her masters would be able to truly pass into this realm.

• There is no other Void creature who has trouble "truly passing into this realm" that we know of, the only ones we know (as in, is confirmed) have trouble manifesting here are the Void Lords.

Anyone has a different opinion? -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

The problem is whether Dimensius is a weakened one or a separate creature.--SWM2448 20:58, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Could you develop a bit more ? -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 04:01, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Dimensius could be a void lord manifesting as a weaker voidlord. Just read that sentence. The difference in their names is a space that is not even consistently there. The illustration of a void lord is a voidcaller. They are the lords of the voidwalker race. They are plural, so there is distinction between them. You understood this at some point. What does Dimensius do? Use a manaforge to feed on enormous amounts of mana because that is what it takes to keep himself from falling back into the void.--SWM2448 04:18, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Yup definitely, he could be a void lord manifesting in a weaker form, or just a void lord. But in any case, he is still a void lord. Do we agree on that, that he is a void lord? -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 07:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Probably? He is a void lord voidlord or voidlord void lord, or void lord void lord.--SWM2448 18:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

There is no proof whatsoever of him being an actual Void Lord, one of the greatest evils in the universe. He appears on par with any other voidlord in the game - his model, his power, everything. Him being a 'fragment, shadow, echo' or whatever doesn't make him a void lord any more than Xal'atah itself is an old god (a fragment, not the thing itself). Especially not when the article states 'a powerful void lord' - Dimensius is definitely a powerful voidlord, but not a powerful void lord.

And let us be honest: The only reason there is confusion between the names is because Blizzard originally used it to distinguish these more powerful voidwalkers from other the less powerful ones in TBC. When they decided to create the super-evil fellows, 'void lords' was simply a fitting name. There are lots of other creatures in Warcraft that has never been properly named.

On a side note, why is Xal'atah referred to as female? For no specific reason or have I missed something there? Dajax02 (talk) 11:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Prolly because of the female voice. Xporc (talk) 11:17, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

I have to agree that being a "fragment, shadow, the faintest of echoes" does not make him a big-evil void lord any more than Xal'atath is an Old God. Also everything Xal'atath says is open to scrutiny considering its flavor text even says not to trust it. ReignTG (talk) 14:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

- She clearly states that Dimensius is a void lord manifesting here.

"I long for the day our masters can truly pass into this realm."

truly is the key word here: they can pass into this realm, but not truly, they are weaker, fragments of their true power. Chronicle said only the most powerful void lords could manifest in the Great Dark, but their energies quickly seep out into nothingness, again backing up the fact that they are weaker here.

"Ask the Ethereals what one of these manifestations are capable of."

Confirmation that Dimensius was one such void lord manifesting here, and even though it's not passing truly, it's still "capable of" consuming an entire planet, which is a bit frightening.

- I don't get the "model" part. Void lords look exactly like your random voidlord warlock minion, so the model point is moot.

- As for his power, it's inconsistent, in TBC he was beaten by adventurers, but before that he opened countless portals to the Void and the Nether (almost like Ner'zhul did... with three of the most powerful artifacts in the Warcraft universe) by himself and wrecked an entire planet alone. The only explanation I can think of is that his energies kept seeping out as explained in Chronicle explaining why he was much weaker when we faced him than when the Ethereals did -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 15:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

IMO when the dagger speaks of "the day of truly passing", of Dimensius being merely "a manifestation", it makes it sound like Dimensius is an avatar of a real void lord. So just like the avatar of Sargeras isn't a titan, Dimensius being the avatar of a void lord shouldn't be a void lord either... But I admit I don't know much about the topic, and I don't really care either. Xporc (talk) 15:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

The thing is that Chronicle explicitly states that void lords can pass into this realm. But only the most powerful ones do, and even then their energies "seep out into nothingness". This is what's stated, to assume that Dimensius does not do that and prefers to send avatars like Sargy would be Speculation. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 15:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

We should avoid taking the unknowable as fact. Relevant speculation is fine. Note the possible discrepencies and such. He might be a frament of a void lord, but if we don't have a direct source for this, we can't really say for sure. PeterWind (talk) 22:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah... still, look at what Chronicle says that a void lord must do to stay summoned, and then look what Dimensius is doing in the manaforge.--SWM2448 22:59, 9 June 2017 (UTC)