Talk:Tal'doren

Home?

How it could be the home for Druids of the Scythe? They were created after the Sundering during the War against Satyrs and it would be impossible for them to travel between Gilneas and Ashenvale.--Mordecay (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

"Tal'doren, the wild home, was once home to an order of druids who took the shape of wolves."

I'd assume that means the Druids of the Scythe. Then again, Blizzard doesn't always make sense with lore... --g0urra[T҂C] 09:21, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

She may be an unreliable narrator. Druids who took the shape of wolves were the Druids of the Pack, who were nowhere near Tal'doren. Tal'doren/Daral'nir was even completely unknown to -all- kaldorei, and Malfurion only knew about it because Cenarious showed him. Curse of the Worgen issue 3 pg 15. --Redmaneraedolf (talk) 23:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

It is possible the Druids of the Pack already existed before the Sundering, making it possible that Tal'doren was their home then. They were not created during the War of the Satyr, but had only been prohibited to use that form. --Ryon21 (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps, if you can find evidence of kaldorei druids occupying the Eastern Kingdoms before the Exile of the High Elves.

• Chronicle 1 says the Highborne "set sail, leaving Kalimdor for whatever lands might lie beyond the churning Maelstrom." meaning they did not know about anything besides Kalimdor. It goes on to say "they made landfall on a new continent some years later" being the Eastern Kingdoms, confirming it was new to them.
• The only kaldorei ruins on the Eastern Kingdoms are those built around the great trees planted by Fandral Staghelm.
• One might argue there could have been kaldorei druids before the Sundering, but Malfurion was the first, and only really started teaching others during and after the War of the Ancients.
• In Curse of the Worgen issue 4, Malfurion mentions Daral'nir to the other druids. Fandral Staghelm and the other old and accomplished night elf druids had never heard of it. Neither Malfurion nor the other druids knew the tree existed until it was shown to them, and only knew of it in the Dream as Daral'nir. They did not know a physical tree called Tal'doren, much less the existence of a supposed "order of druids who took the shape of wolves" that it was "home to" as Belysra Starbreeze claims.

I could have sworn there was another source saying the night elves had never before set foot on the Eastern Kingdoms, but I can't seem to place it, besides the exile of the high elves in Chronicle 1, saying it was new to them. We can't exactly discredit her quest text, but I may start on a Speculation section explaining the unreliable nature of her claim. -- RedmaneRaedolf (talk) 21:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

You can add anything to the speculation section. Though what I meant was before or at least during the War of the Ancients. Basically that the tree predates the Sundering. --Ryon21 (talk) 23:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

The tree itself likely does. The point in question is if the Druids of the Pack ever called it home, or if Belysra was referring to the imprisonment of the Druids of the Scythe beneath it. -- RedmaneRaedolf (talk) 00:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Mmmm, I wouldn't call it home if it was their prison. But at the same time they were imprisoned in the ED. Honestly, this kind of discrepancies are found everywhere in WoW lore, so it is quite difficult to try and explain a continuous story in the wiki. The question is, should we prioritize a quest, or a comic? If others may join the talk we can decide something. Personally, since the quest is simply one phrase I would count the comic as a stronger source since it seems to have more relevance. Therefore take out that "the tree was their home" and move it in the notes section. I mean, for what we know, the Druids of the Pack were created during the War of the Satyr, no? --Ryon21 (talk) 01:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Daral'nir?

Both Tal'doren and Daral'nir are the same tree, its physical and spiritual name, confirmed in the Gilnean Heritage questline. Both have separate pages that are small, and could be merged into one. --Redmaneraedolf (talk) 23:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

As long as Cataclysm that we know they are the same tree. But since they have different names and are located on different areas, it's okay to have them separated. --Ryon21 (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)