Talk:Rexxar

Pathing

Roam path: Southern most point in the Stonetalon map, straight south trough Desolace and its graveyard, and up to the lake in Feralas

That'd be badass if he roamed all throughout Kalimdor, and not strictly through Desolace. --Anticrash 11:27, 23 Dec 2005 (EST)

Parentage

"It seems possible that Rexxar is the son of the ogre Turok and the orc Griselda, daughter of Blackhand. This is the only coupling of an orc and an ogre ever mentioned in currently available Warcraft lore, though it could be unrelated."

This speculation is entirely missplaced. In light of the events of wc3 this really should not be included. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Strixus (talk · contr).

Whatever. We'll have more info with BC. I'd like to ask if he's killable by Alliance players ?--K ) (talk) 13:40, 13 November 2006 (EST)

Note: I would like to apologise to Strixus for the welcome she got here, it was unfortunate. The query appears to have since been sorted out, at least! User:Kirkburn/Sig 21:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Dar

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with Warcraft, but has anyone noticed that Rexxar is alot like Dar, the main character of BeastMaster? Y'know, them both being underdressed and also happening to be the last of their tribes? Just thought that a little odd. --Super Bhaal 3:49, 29 January 2007

People have been scantily clad in fantasy media for decades. Last of their people has been a staple of epic tales for centuries.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:46, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Well, still. They're both Beastmasters. That's gotta count for something. Original as the writers at Blizzard are, they still probably occasionally take things from other works and incorporate it into their own. --Super Bhaal 18:08, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Rexxar isn't actually the last in his tribe though ... The article & lore clearly state that he just left his tribe. --JamesR 12:29, 25 February 2007 (EST)

He was the last son of the Mok'nathal, it never meant he was the last of his race, just the to be born. Even more so it referred to him being the last Mok'nathal on Azeroth. That was until he started making his own children...Baggins 01:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha!! yeah the first thing i thought when i heard about Frozen Throne having this hero called a beastmaster for hire is "Dar"? lol, i guess they both have the same philosophy which makes them so respectable. (Sweatboy (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2008 (UTC))

Artwork

Concept art of Rexxar, Champion of the Horde.

Removing this artwork unless someone can confirm that it is actual "concept artwork" and not some fan artwork.Baggins 17:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I competely agree: this article is seriously in need of some clean up.Swiftstar 17:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)Swiftstar

He's not technically a Mok'nathal

In his article it shows leoroxx as his dad. Leoroxx is a Mok'nathal too. If Rexaar's mom was an ogress, he'd be 3 quarters Ogre and 1 quarter orc. Unless they changed stuff since the Burnin Crusade came out. And before a guy named K said in Leoroxx's article it used to say he was an orc. What is he then? Mr.X8 01:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

A Mok'nathal.--SWM2448 01:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

He is a half-ogre, half-breed, Mok'nathal because blizzard said so. Blizzard doesn't think of genetics. Case in point two half-elves who marry will still produce a "half-elf", apparently there is no way to get closer to human or elf, once a line is half-elf its always half-elf. As a side note half-ogres have a "mixed-blood" racial trait essentially it creates a new kind of blood that has qualities of orc and ogre blood, but is not exactly like the parent's blood. They essentially become a new race.Baggins 01:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

So what you guys are saying is Blizzard doesnt understand genetics and thats why he and his dad are Mok'nathal and his mom's an ogre? Mr.X8 02:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

...I don't know who the mother was sorry... Who says she was an ogre? What I'm saying is fantasy authors and creators rarely ever thinks of genetics, as it is a realm of science and science fiction not fantasy. Besides no one knows how genetics would work with fantasy races anyways... On earth, races as different as ogres and orcs wouldn't even be able to mate, let alone have offspring. Even if they existed and could they'd probably only throw sterile offspring (which is the general case for crossbreeding, in real life)... Btw, real life genetics are alot more technical and detailed than your preconceptions about the topic, but World of Warcraft is fantasy and doesn't have to be tied to real life.Baggins

Also, even if he was 3/4 ogre, he might still only look 1/2 ogre. Appearance is determined by dominant and recessive genes. He wold still look more orc than ogre if the orc DNA was dominant (I'm not a biology major, but I did pass the class). But like Baggins said, who said his mother was an ogre?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

His mother being an Ogre is mentioned in Cycle of Hatred. --Austin P 09:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Even so. He is still Mok'Nathal, but not technically a half-ogre. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Half-ogre is a race. It follows fantasy genetics. The same kind that made Eldrond, "half-elven" though he was probably several generations removed from any human heritage (more on that in half-elf). Once one is born into half-ogre society they are always half-ogres. Fantasy authors rarely think of things beyond half, so no heinz 57 combinations :pBaggins 12:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

No, Elrond really was a half-elf. His other half wasn't fully human, as several of his ancestors were Maiar.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I only remember reading tolkien's letters where he went into it discussing how the term "half-elf", was not term declaring accurate percentages or such, and more of a title, denoting his mixed heritage. In anycase he was able to choose to become "Elf-kind" which as far as all things are considered, made him "full-elf" in the eyes of other elves.Baggins 12:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Looked into it apparently Elrond's grandparent was half-elven, of mair, and elven descent. Thus Elrond's elf-half wasn't exactly "pure". Apparently one of Tolkien's sources claims or implies that Elrond was one sixteenth maiar and nine sixteenths elven, and three eigth's human.Baggins 13:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

On, further research, according to Cycle of Hatred not all members of the Mok'Nathal Clan were of orc and ogre blood. This would imply that some members were full-blooded orcs, and some were full-blooded ogres. Has Leoroxx been specifically said to be a "half-breed", or "half-ogre"?Baggins 18:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Is it ever said that a Mok'Nathal has to be half-and-half? I've been under the impression that anyone who is part orc and part ogre is Mok'Nathal.Swiftstar 16:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)Swiftstar

Exactly, a Mok'Nathal is only a being with some Ogre and some Orc; in other words even if he had Human or even Tauren blood Rexor would still be a Mok'Nathal, definitely not a half-ogre.Gwyain

Now I'm under the impression that they have to be accepted as well, since it's a clan meaning not all ogre-orc hybrids are Mok's.--User:Gwyain/Sig 20:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It depends on which definition of mok'nathal you mean. The lower case is specifically the orc name for any half-ogre regardless of clan it belongs to (not all half-ogres belong to the Mok'Nathal clan). Half-ogres are usually half-ogre, and half-orc, although there might be half-human half-ogres and Half-ogre mages. Upper case, "Mok'Nathal" is the clan. The clan has more members than just half-ogres. I.E. not all members are half-ogres and come from otehr races. To be "Mok'Nathal" is to be a member of the clan specifically.

Half-ogres were originally created by the Horde, "...to combine the power of an ogre with the intelligence and cunning of an orc." BTW, its implied that most if not all half-ogres may be sterile and can't produce their own offspring. The reason why the race has dwindled is because, "...few orcs would willingly breed with the gigantic ogres." Its very firm with the idea that all known half-ogres originated through the breeding of ogres and orcs (usually when both species are drunk).

The book hints that one possible exception is possibly rexxar, he's possibly sired more half-ogres. "Recently, half-ogres reappeared in the world, following the exploits of Rexxar, champion of the Horde and the greatest mok’nathal to ever live....Apparently some orcs still get drunk today, as after Rexxar’s exploits, half-ogres appear again." However this info is slightly vague, in as much that it could mean that his exploits being his adventures have lead more ogres and orcs to mate with each other...or his adventures have lead more half-ogres to become adventurers and follow his path. In other words the latter two meanings could mean he's still quite sterile.Baggins (talk) 20:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

A point on genetics, two separate races can produce viable offspring capable of reproduction so long as they have the same number of cromozones. Humans have 23, so providing half orcs and half elves are fertile(haven't seen anything to the contrary) that would mean orcs and elves also have 23, which probably means ogres do as well.

Half breeds seem to include the children of halfbreeds as well, i.e. if two half elves had a kid, it would still be considered a half elf. Probably works the same for half orcs and half ogres, or atleast thats suggested in the allaince and horde player's guides, respectively.

So, making the assumption that Rexxar's dad is a half ogre that takes after his orc side and his mother was a half ogre that took after the ogre side, he'd still be considered a mok'nathal(lower case).Tweak the Whacked (talk) 20:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The rpg is speecific that half-ogres will die out unless more ogres and orcs mate. This implies that half-ogres are normally sterile.

The rpg is specific that half-elves and half-elves can mate. But for some strange reason, their blood will always appear to be half-human and half-elf. There is no "diluting" of the genes so to speak.

On the other hand, let's say that a rare half-ogre was fertile, the RPG is also specific that the blood would appear half half-ogre and half-orc. Again it appears there is no "diluting" of the genes so to speak. Although the way it words it is that blood came specifically form an orc and a ogre parent, thus hinting at infertility again.

On side note genetics are weird. There has been examples of species with different numbers of chromosomes mating (as long as the species were closely related) and having infertile offspring (although for some hybrids, there have been rare occurances of a fertile hybrid). There are also some species closely related but different number of chromosomes that can mate and have fertile offspring most of the time. The point is some species with different numbers of chromosomes can mate and have offspring, see Wikipedia:Hybrid (biology) ("for example donkeys have 62 chromosomes, while horses have 64 chromosomes, and mules and hinnies have 63 chromosomes.") However, we probably should avoid the discussion of scientific facts when discussing a fantasy setting. They generally have little bearing, and fantasy tends to ignore general rules. However, for those interested more can be found in the article, species.Baggins (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I had taken the need of ogres and orcs to procreate to relate more to the fact that most half ogres seem to be male(with a few exceptions) and most keep to them selves.

Something to consider is that the Horde's player's guide was written before the dark portal reopened and the current mok'nathal clan was found. Old horde was sexist, only having male warriors for the most part. Logic would suggest that they only brought male half ogres with them to azeroth, which may be the reason why people thought they couldn't reproduce.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 21:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

So Mok'Nathals are like a species? i read somewhere that Rexs' parents were an orc and an orgre, but then i read at some other place that, like mentioned above, that Leoroxx is half orc and half ogre, (also a chieftan of a Mok'Nathal tribe?) Personally i would have preffered Rex to be "full blooded" in this way, while still being an "outcast" among ogres (Sweatboy (talk) 00:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC))

Page 100 of cycle of hatred implies that his mother was an "orc".Baggins (talk) 08:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Rexxar still runs around Azeroth?

Was litening to the comicon panel podcast, and Metzen claims you can still see him walking around map if your lucky to run into him.

Is this true?Baggins 10:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah it true 18/11-2009 user:billylj

Paragraph on side areas

I was wondering whether this paragraph should be left as is.

"Rexxar's forces fought around the Vol'jin's village to gain experience for the coming battle. He entered the Tomb of the Ancients and killed the dungeon master Lord Talendar. Across the ocean's shallows he fell the Eldritch Deathlord. In the Magistrate's Temple the ghost lord named the Revenant of Burning Souls was laid to rest. In the Den of the Lost an Ancient Wendigo reign was finished over his icy cavern. Notable stations of human naval guards were led by grand wizard Zerx Hydromon and naval royal guard Thornby. Rexxar's forces entered the Outland Arena and fought three powerful demon lords named Destroyer Zardikar, Sinstralis of the Pain and Talnivarr the Sleeper to get the tomes they held. He released the Orc Mathogg from a prison after killing Khan Gragtor and getting his iron key."

While I would assume any side quest given to be officially completed, I don't feel the same about the dungeons in the bonus map. Lore wise, it wouldn't make much sense. Why would Rexxar just decide to drop everything he's doing to explore a nearby cave? Even so, I doubt it's necessary to describe every single thing he did on his way. Austin P 11:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Lord of the new Thunderlord Clan?

As of the Burning Crusade it says that the orcs have retaken the thunderlord stronghold and rexxar currently resides there. The orcs there currently now take the name of the old clan. Does this mean that Rexxar is the current lord of the (new) thunderlord clan? He is apparently leading these orcs after all if so should we edit the thunderlord clan page?. --User:Whitedragon254 21:02, 17 March 2008 (EST)

Reference?

"Anywhere I roam/Where I lay my head is home" is from the Metallica song, Whereever I May Roam, could "Where I lay my head is home.... See that rock? That's my pillow." be a reference to this? -Rovdyr (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm adding it to the article, since no one has given me any reasons not to do so, and it's on [1] -Rovdyr (talk) 01:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

It is at Quotes_of_Warcraft_III/Neutral_Heroes#Beastmaster.--SWM2448 00:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Rexxar & Orgrimmar

Is it worthy anyhow to mention that, ironicaly or not, Rexxar always found the half-dead orc with the important message to save the Horde ? (Mogrin in W3 and in Byrok CoH)

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 14:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

whos taller rexxar or grom hellscream

seriously from what ive heard grom dwarfs rexxar

Dwarfs and dwarfs..... I guess he could be taller, though i doubt he'd make someone as brawny as Rexxar seem small by comparison. Also, please sign your posts. --Quetzatoul (talk) 17:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Boss status...

They don't (out of the blue) just do this for anyone... wonder what this is supposed to mean... Has our Stonemaul chieftain returned to us? Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:17, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe just for major epic characters?

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 00:19, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed it only while I was questing the other day in Blade's Edge, as far as I can tell he was promoted in 3.3.3 to Boss, perhaps this is one of those precursors to Cataclysm? We've not heard much about Rexxar so he might play a minor roll, such as beating sense into Garrosh... Blizzard moves in mysterious ways.--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 02:24, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Chieftain of the Mok'Nathal clan?

I think that we don't get to see him accepted after all the questlines, so jhe's not the chieftain of the Mok'Nathal clan. If not, a source where it's shown him succeeding his father would be nice :).--Lon-ami (talk) 11:46, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

He's not, someone likes to be crazy with those succession boxes ... in fact by the end of the chain I don't think his father even welcomes him into the group, let alone become its leader.. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 18:02, May 15, 2010 (UTC)