Talk:General Jakra'zet

Both are valid points as they refer to the city not being laid to waste. In Traveler, the city is led by Ukorz, who was killed in the instance, but is still around. The city event was said to be participated by over a hundred of sand trolls, that doesn't sound like being laid to waste. More importantly, your version says that it was the Horde who raided it. We do not know who potentially raided it canonically. --Mordecay (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Just because there's about a hundred trolls left/remaining doesn't mean the city was not laid to waste. The entire point is that just because the sand trolls are still around by MoP does not mean "his people" (he technically doesn't even refer to the city..) were not laid to waste, it does not counter the point in any way.

And it's not saying that it was exclusively the Horde who raided ZF, just that Horde adventurers participated, but it could be made clearer. -- MyMindWontQuiet 19:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

The book doesn't say that there were trolls "left" or "remaining", actually. It says over 150 that were gathered at the event and speculatively there could be far more trolls in the whole city / not present at the event. Numbers aside, Ukorz is alive for some reason which is a case that should not be ignored. So there's no need to remove the Chronicle and Traveler mention as the implications are there. By mentioning the two books the previous version offers an additional point why it could also refer to the Pandaria stuff. --Mordecay (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

That's nitpicking. Again, that there are sand trolls (left) in ZF in Traveler does not counter the fact that the Horde "laid waste to his people". And whether Chronicle forgets to mention ZF or not, his sentence could refer to Pandaria anyway. These two elements just add useless fluff.

The point being made here is that the sentence "the Horde laid waste to [my people/sand trolls]" can already refer to either ZF (quests, dungeon) or ToT (raid) by default anyway. Saying that sand trolls still existed in MoP is irrelevant to the fact that "the Horde laid waste to my people", and saying that Chronicle doesn't talk about sand trolls is also irrelevant to the fact that "the Horde laid waste to my people", and neither contradicts the ZF/ToT possibility. -- MyMindWontQuiet 21:36, 16 August 2018 (UTC)