Talk:Elune/Analysis

The WarCraft Encyclopedia entry for Elune has confirmed that Elune is not a Naaru or a Titan. --Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper

Elune-Naaru Relation

Nobody is debating Elune, who is probably the most influentel thing this side of the Maelstrom, so I decided to start it with this statement:

Could Elune be a Naaru?

This is a Naaru related symbol. Could Elune be one of them?

The potential is definetly there, it's not something that can be confirmed based on current information. Let's look at what we've got:

• Elune is the protectress of the Night Elves
• Her Chosen, Tyrande, was able to call downt the wrath of the Goddess on the minions of Sargeras
• All Night Elves worship the Mother Moon, including the Druids.

The following implies that whatever She is, She is not a Naaru:

• She has only been seen to be the patron of the Night Elves, not other races.
• Her interventions come at the behest of Her Chosen against all enemies, not just the Legion.

And the following are in favor:

• She clearly abhors the corruption brought on by the Legion
• If She is a Naaru, that add the the Draenei's attraction to the Alliance
• She could be one of several Naaru guiding Azeroth- the originators of the Human's Holy Light doctrine and the Earthmother could also be Naaru.

I tend to doubt She is a Naaru, though She is clearly on the side of The Light. However, I think the theory has merit. --Ragestorm 10:23, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

Here. Look at this.

• She has only been seen to be the patron of the Night Elves, not other races.

She is only patron to the Keldori beacuase they found the well of eternity first and she was left behind to guard it.

• Her interventions come at the behest of Her Chosen against all enemies, not just the Legion.

Like a master protecting her pet cat. Unnesscary in most cases, but sometimes they need it. There, mister doubter! What do you think of that? Charred But Alive 11:24, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

What I think is that it's a good theory, and has great potential to be true, but it's up to Metzen and his team as to the final nature of Elune. --Ragestorm 11:33, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

Who's Metzen? Charred But Alive 18:30, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

What? If you are joking, please inform me. If not... --Ragestorm 19:30, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

Elune the Titan?

I always assumed that elune was a Titan, If she really is tied to the Well of Eternity then that makes the most sence to me.

Oc course, the only time you hear about her link to the well comes from the night elves. It could simply be a part of their religion. If so I'm sure that when the Crazy Moon expantion comes out in 5 years all will be answered, if it doesn't get retcon'ed first. --BestBrian

Elune isn't exactly the first on Blizzard's list- for now, it's enough that She can give Priests the power to call down solid moonlight to smash Her enemies. We also don't know the precise connection between the Titans and the Naaru as of yet. Perhaps she is of a silver-skinned variety of titan... --Ragestorm 19:43, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

Elune can't be a Titan because the RPG book Shadows & Light makes clear that Titans are not true gods, simply very powerful cosmic beings, while Elune is a true god(dess). That said, I'm all for her having ties to the Naaru, whatever they may be. PLOT TWISTS ABOUND! ;)

--Wasted 01:10, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

It would be very disappointing if Elune was not an actual deity. That is, if she is defined as a cosmic being (titan or Naaru), her whole worth and power goes down the tube. The Earthmother/Elune has an immense amount of followers, and casting her off as another alien takes away from her spiritual aspects. I would, however, like some insight on the relationship between Elune and the Holy Light. Because apparently the Light is a) able to be used by anyone, no faith needed, and b) can be STOLEN?!--Earthsprite 21:17, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

True, Stealing the Light does imply that She is not Naaru, if for no other reason that only true believers (or those who need a guiding light) can call upon Her. I've always been in support of a truer divinity for Elune, but as I said, She isn't high on Blizzard's to-expand list, if She's there at all. I don't think it's wise to use the term "alien" here. Technically, the orcs are aliens to Azeroth, while the humans, Night Elves, etc. are aliens to Dreanor. When we're dealing with multiple worlds, we can't call anyone an alien.--Ragestorm 07:00, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Elune, an Old God?

This may sound far out, far fetched, and far stretched, but I think it may have merit; The Old Gods are primordial beings, and one of the things that drew the Titans to Azeroth was A) The Well of Eternity, and B) the chaotic landscape just begging to be changed (after, of course, they booted the Old Gods, who may very well be considered, "good guys," despite the Qiraji, etc. Perhaps the Dwarves and such are the real bad guys on Azeroth, and other natural, indigenous creatures are "good?").

Supporting Evidence:

-Elune is supposed to be asleep in the original Well of Eternity, atleast until nightfall, when she rises into the sky. (The moon.)

-The Well of Eternity is now the Maelstrom.

-It is supposed that an Old God drastically adapted the Night Elves drowning into Naga to keep them alive. Elune, anyone?

-Azshara is still Queen of the Naga, and Azshara was always the favorite of Elune, so she MAY be more sinister than we believe.

-Supporting the previous two, IF indeed the Troll -> Night Elf adaptation is correct, in might NOT just be the Well's influence on the Trolls that turned them into Night Elves. Elune may have saw that she could have converted them from their primal gods to worship her, and better serve her as advocates of magic. (Which has yet to be truly explained, except be taboo in Night Elf Culture, and be the source of great addiction. The Titans and Old Gods, however, both seemed equally interested in it.)

-I may be wrong, but I don't believe that the Naga and Night Elves ever use Elune's powers against eachother. The same goes with the High Elves. And with Naga and Blood Elves now becoming friends, atleast in Illidan's Army, Elune might be pretty happy about two servants of magic, and two of her Children, getting along.

Against:

-The 'miracles' of Elune that you see throughout WarCraft 3, and the spells present in the game, in which Night Elf priests call upon Elune's blessings.

Disputed:

-Cenarius and other demi-gods worshipping and praising her, as well as the Green Dragonflight who serve the Titans and thus despise the Old Gods. HOWEVER, it could be explained the Dragonflight is ignorant of it, and Cenarius, being a primordial being himself it seems, would not consider an "old god," evil, the same as the elementals. (Treants, after all, are grouped in the Elemental category.)

First of all, sign your posts (with four tildes, ~ ~ ~ ~ without spaces), we're not psychic. Second, Elune has done absolutely nothing to further the Old Gods' cause- all she had to do was not allow Tyrande to call upon Her power during the battle in Zin-Azshari at the end of the WotA, and Illidan or Furion would have broken their concentration and allowed the Old Gods to be freed. Third, while you are correct in that High/Blood Elves and Naga don't use Elune's powers against each other, this is because they cannot use Elune's powers at all. The followers of Dath'remar Sunstrider renounced Elune as their deity at the founding of Quel'Thalas, and the Naga find Azshara so beautiful that they also renounced Elune.

That said, it doesn't entirely rule out the Old Gods as part of her origin- it just points out that she does not agree with C'Thun or the Three. She could have been an Old God once, but sided against them when the Titans appeared, or could have been a Good Old God as a balance of the Evil ones. --Ragestorm 06:00, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Not completely related, but I will bring up a matter for discussion. The old gods and Qiraji and the like are not necesarily good or evil, neither are the Titans and Dwarves and such. I like to think of the old gods as the primal or chaotic destiny of Azeroth, the core, base idea for the planet and the dwarves and Titans as a civilized, advanced, or ordered destiny for Azeroth, one with developing life. I see that the fight between the old gods forces and the titans forces is merely a contrast of destinies. The titans want to grow and develop, the old gods want to revert back to chaos and a constant. Almost like human development versus animal/plant/disease/nature in general development. We are fighting, but we are also living symbiotically. Get it? Garenas

I never imagined Elune as an Old God, "good" or "evil". Mostly due to the rest of her and her kind, the Ancients, who shared one thing similar to the Old chaps: they were natural forces of Azeroth.

Elune and the rest of the Ancients, are a side of nature, embodied (ironic since she never takes on a physical form) with the might of the world.---Celebant

Elune- embodiment of the Arcane?

I remember reading a while back that the reason why Moonfire, Starfire and Starshards are arcane magic is because that is the form Elune's energies manifest, much like the powers of Celestials and Naaru are holy. Now, bear in mind that the Night Elves have, up until recently, been closely tied with the well of eternity and arcane magics. Could it be possible that Elune, whose powers manifest as arcane, is derived FROM the source of Arcane magic, either being a creature of the well or a humanoid manifestation thereof? It is said that Elune created the night elves, and it is also said that the Elves were mutated by the well of eternity into their current forms. Omacron 20:05, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

The exact origin of the Night Elves is still unknown. Your theory is a good one, however. Elune may well have began as some sort of incarnation of the Well's Arcane energies, but She has clearly evolved into something more- the Well no longer exists, and She supported Tyrande and those who destroyed the Well prior to the Sundering. I personally think that Elune is meant to be an actual Goddess- this would give Blizzard another cosmic group to work with. Still, your theory is pretty sound. --Ragestorm 20:24, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

Well, if Elune is a creature of the well, or manifestation thereof, and the well mutated the Trolls, she would be controlling said mutation, mutating them in her image. Also, the well DOES exist, just mixed in the waters of the Maelstrom. Also, if the well doesn't exist, and that means Elune cannot, why would Arcane magic? Omacron 17:22, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

No, the Well was completely destroyed- the Arcane that still exists is the ambient arcane magic that exists on every world. My point is that, if your theory is correct, then Elune would have evolved from a manifestation of the Well into something more, a being of arcane magic that doesn't require the Well to exist. I must admit, I've no idea what Blizzard is trying to do by releasing all these materials that basically say, "well, some people think that Night Elves evolved from trolls, but no-one is certain." --Ragestorm 18:34, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

I'm revisiting all my old lore theories, and I have been thinking about some things for a while. The two questions I have in my mind both refer to outland, 1, is why are there elementals in outland if the Old Gods are on Azeroth? And two, why do spells relating to Elune and the Moon (moonfire, starfall et al) work on outland, which has 2 completely different moons. Mayhap Elune exists IN those ambient arcane particles, or even in the Nether, which would technically make her a demon. Or, we could just write it off as "lorelol". Omacron 17:38, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Old Gods: they didn't invent elementals, their servants just happened to be elementals; not all elementals are tied to the old gods. Elune: the Goddess is present wherever Her children dare to venture.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:43, 20 January 2007 (EST)

So- Lorelol? Of course, we dunno why there are Giants on outland either (both sea and rock types), unless the titans had a hand in its past, which explains why it has an atmosphere suitable for Azerothean life, food isn't poisonous, similar animals ect. Though, wouldn't having two moons increase Elune's power? I'd love if my starfire started critting for around 4000. Omacron 02:33, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Please do not use that term in my presence. As for increasing her power... suggest it to Blizzard- after all, Elune's priests aren't the most powerful in the world for nothing, are they?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:04, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Elune/Earthmother

Could it be that Elune and the Earthmother is one deity in different cultures? -Rovdyr 10:19, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Elune is usually listed as Mu'sha in the Tauren Cosmology; theoretically, it is possible that the Earthmother and Elune are the same, and the separation of Mu'sha is just a cultural accident, but it seems unlikely. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:44, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Elune the Eredar, who betrayed the Legion and created the night elves

It's implausible, but not impossible.

The Theory

• Why does Elune conceal her true form from her followers? (Because she is an eredar)
• Why did the Legion REALLY invade Azeroth? (Because Elune betrayed the Legion)
• What is the worgen connection to Elune, and the true origin of the Nightmare? (Read the above link)
• Was it really a coincidence that the draenei "crashed" on Azeroth, near the elves? (No, read the above link)

It's a conspiracy!

Xavius, the Satyr Lord 16:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It's also fanfiction. First of all, it is established that there were three Eredar leaders, and that Kil'jaeden and his agents were the ones hunting the draenei. Second, we know that the vast and uncontrolled use of arcane magic was what drew the Legion to Azeroth. Third, it has been officially confirmed that Elune is a true god.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

• Three Eredar leaders: That's what the Draenei wants us to think. Intrigue!
• Kil'jaeden and his agents: Elune was the first to hunt them, Kil'jaeden took up where she failed.
• Vast Uncontrolled Magic: There are innumerable worlds in the nether, many of them abounding with magic. The Legion sensed all of it, and conquered all of them in turn. Elune's prescense on Azeroth made the magic emanating from there bear her "signature", causing the Legion to change their plans and immediately invade.
• Elune is a god: Many beings transcend the bounds of mortal power and play key roles in the world’s long history, either obvious or subtle. These beings are known as Eternals. Wielding godlike powers, they battle to destroy or save the world, to disrupt or cultivate life upon Azeroth (and elsewhere). Note: Transcends the bounds of mortal power. What makes a god? Followers? Elune has got plenty of them. If that is what takes to become a deity (like in DnD), Elune qualifies. Power? As an Eredar leader, Elune had plenty of power originally, and the connection to the Emerald Dream enhanced it.

You have to admit that this at least makes a tiny tiny bit of sense.

Xavius, the Satyr Lord 18:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Given that the first chapter of RotH was Third Person Omniscient, so not what the draenei think, it's what happened. Second, I understand what you're saying and it works, but for Kil'jaeden it was a personal matter, so he would have been taking care of it logically. Third, godhood in Warcraft does not appear to be based on followers as it is in D&D. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I could try to prove you wrong, but you're probably right. However, if you ever need a crazy theory, just ask me! Xavius, the Satyr Lord 09:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll do that- very well put together, but next time, might I suggest a few pie charts and bar graphs? ;-P--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Talking about pie charts, I'm beginning to feel hungry... Xavius, the Satyr Lord 16:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a nice theory, nothing more than that though. I don't think there's any chance of Elune being an Eredar, or having any connection with them for that matter. Warchiefthrall 21:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)