Talk:Class Order

Title

What about including both titles? --Mordecay (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure, done -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 11:07, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Redundant?

There's already the Class Hall page. While both are largely similar, Class Hall does contain more information. I also believe that Class Hall should take precedent for two reasons:

• The achievement category in-game refers to the system as "Class Hall"
• Blizzard has alternated between usage of "Class Hall" and "Order Hall", but I can't recall seeing an official post using the term "Class Order".

I suggest that we pick one of the article pages for wiki editors to focus on. -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 22:18, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Class halls, or Order halls, are places. Class orders are organizations. Class orders meet and plan the war in their order halls. I'm not sure how we could merge them.

As for the name, I didn't recall "class orders" either, just "orders" (or "order leader(s)" for the player), but after looking up it is a valid word : http://www.wowhead.com/search?&q=class%20order -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 22:58, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Cenarion Circle, Dreamweavers and the Dreamgrove

Necroing the topic, are we sure that the Cenarion Circle is the class order for druids in the Dreamgrove? I'm looking at the points MMWQ pointed out. Although Malfurion named the PC an archdruid of the Cenarion Circle, it isn't stated that the Dreamgrove druids are specifically the Circle, but we know that there are Druids of Val'sharah / the grove / the Dreamweavers, likely a subgroup of the Circle, in the Dreamgrove.   [10-45] Gathering the Dreamweavers specifically states "Send your champions to gather the druids of our order". The quest's name is the Dreamweavers. Also the thing with Broll mentioned by MMWQ. From   [45] The Demi-God's Return: Today, we grant you the title of Archdruid of the Dreamgrove, a nomination of the highest honor in our order. Maaaybe this position wouldn't be the highest honor in the Circle itself but in the Dreamweavers? Anyone with more insight? --Mordecay (talk) 12:37, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

"Archdruid of the Dreamgrove" could still be a Cenarion Circle title, considering the Dreamgrove is a place and one of the "holiest" druidic place of Azeroth. Are there green dragons in the Dreamweavers? Xporc (talk) 13:06, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Same conclusion as before I imagine, the title of "Archdruid" itself means they are part of the Circle since it's a Cenarion Circle title. -- MyMindWontQuiet 13:41, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Yea, but who are Dreamgrove's members? Cenarion Circle members itself, or its subgroup the Dreamweavers since   [10-45] Gathering the Dreamweavers specifically says they are the Dreamweavers? --Mordecay (talk) 13:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

There are a few "Dreamweaver"] NPCs at least.

The Dreamgrove druids are part of the Circle, that we know, and it makes sense.

The confusion comes from the Dreamweavers indeed. They are initially a world quest faction that comes out of nowhere. However since they are both called "the druids of Val'sharah" or similar wording (and also because of that quest) so there's a clear link between the Circle/Dreamgrove, and the Dreamweavers. But I'm not sure if the latter are a subgroup of the former, or if it's just another name for the former. I think it may be the latter because all druid quests in Val'sharah give Dreamweavers reputation. -- MyMindWontQuiet 14:02, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, unlike Moonglade, the Dreamgrove has several direct access to the Emerald Dream, so maybe in the end the Dreamweavers are just the sub-section of the Cenarion Circle charged to protect that particular place. Xporc (talk) 14:06, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah but the question is how do they relate to the Dreamgrove druids ? Is 'Dreamweavers' just another name for the Dreamgrove druids ? Are the Dreamweavers a parallel group to the Dreamgrove, in which case we have two druidic orders in 1 zone with multiple, shared members between the two ? -- MyMindWontQuiet 14:09, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I called the Dreamweavers a subgroup of the Circle, but even that isn't directly stated, yea? Speculatively, Dreamweavers could in some form predate the Circle since it was formed after the Sundering in Kalimdor? Maybe someone on Twitter could shed some light on the matter?--Mordecay (talk) 14:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I guess technically most druidic orders predate the Circle since they were all unified into the Circle. -- MyMindWontQuiet 15:33, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

The Dreamgrove is a place, not an organization. Considering you can get Valarjar reputation in Stormheim even without being a warrior, I see no reason to assume that the Dreamweavers are not the same people living at the Dreamgrove.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xporc (talk · contr).

Yea, despite some quests stating "serving the Dreamgrove", "representing the Dreamgrove" and "leading the Dreamgrove to glory" it is a druidic place. Skyhold could be used in this way too, I guess. --Mordecay (talk) 14:38, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

That was meant more as "the druids of the Dreamgrove" than the physical place itself, because they are never called Dreamweavers once. However, through the indirect elements listed above such as the 'Gatheering the Dreamweavers' quest I think it is fair to say that they are all Dreamweavers, yes. The point about reputation was to prove there was a link between all these druids and the Dreamweavers, ie they're all Dreamweavers. -- MyMindWontQuiet 15:33, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

In   [10-45] To The Dreamgrove, Cenarius says "Come, we must find the Druids of Val'sharah and request their aid" while about to enter the Dreamgrove, implying that the place is held by the Dreamweavers. Anyone have a ~lvl100 druid alt to test if the dialog is still up to date? Xporc (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

DeludedTroll was nice enough to confirm the name is still used. Xporc (talk) 20:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Is that a go for updating / converting all info regarding the class order Cenarion Circle to class order the Dreamweavers? --Mordecay (talk) 20:54, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

The Dreamweavers are presumably still a division of the Cenarion Circle anyway, due to the title of the Dreamweavers leader being "Archdruid of the Cenarion Circle". Probably the Dreamweavers are only the regional Val'sharah division of the Circle? I'm still not sure what we should do honestly. Xporc (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Remulos also mentions the Dreamweavers [1]. On the other hand,  [Soul of the Archdruid] says that the Circle resides in the Dreamgrove. While it could mean that they reside there through the Dreamweavers, it is not worded as such :-/ IDK it's a real mess! --Mordecay (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)