Talk:Blackrock clan

Inspiration?

It seems some blackrock clan member's name is taken from the characters of Samurai Shodown.
Jubei'Thos is Jubei Yagyu, Haohmarush is Haohmaru, Khanzo is Hanzo Hattori, and Genjuros is Genjuro Kibagami.
Ricochet jp 17:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

They were all random blademasters. If those things use swords then it fits, I guess.--SWM2448 20:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Name

If they only seized control of Blackrock Spire during the First War, why were they called the Blackrock clan before this? Or was the mountain named for them? Probably it was named for them--The last Alterac 05:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

From Tides of Darkness we now know it was a coincidence. Orgrim even saw it as a good sign that what would become their stronghold shared a name with his clan.Warthok 06:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually the Clan was named after Black Rock Spire when it was concord by Black Hand The Destroyer.--The last Alterac 07:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope, Tides of Darkness confirms it was named Black Rock before orcs even got there, actually the RPG and some of the in-game books implied or stated as much earlier as well. Infact it was the dwarves that originally named it Blackrock. We know that Blackrock clan existed before they came to Azeroth in Rise of the Horde.Baggins 07:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I am still pretty sure when Gul Dan gave Blackhand his own clan he named it after the 1st place he conquored (IE black rock spire)--The last Alterac 00:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Read, Rise of the Horde, the Blackrock Clan was existence even before the Horde arose. I'm pretty sure the same case occurs in the RPG material as well.Baggins 00:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep even Horde Player's Guide mentions that Blackrocks existed before they discovered Blackrock mountain. However, it says the fortress built within the mountain, "Blackrock Spire" was named after the clan.

So basically Blackrock mountain existed before they got there, having been named by the dwarves. Tides of Darkness novel mentions it was an auspicous omen for the clan that they shared the same name when they learned the mountain's name from the trolls. They later named their fortress within the mountain after themselves (coincidently dwarves had previously named the mountain Blackrock Spire as well). Although its not that clean of a history of course.Baggins 00:13, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Let me refraise what I said now. I did pretty sure when Gul Dan gave Blackhand his own clan he named it after the 1st place he conquored (IE black rock spire) So yeah my 3rd statement was never proven wrong (AND it never will since I doubt anyone cant understand my pedantic psyche...) AND TECHNACLY WE ARE BOTH RIGHT (I am right that it was my opinion and Baggins is right about the facts)--The last Alterac 21:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

"I doubt anyone cant understand my pedantic psyche" thats the only part that made sense to me. Very confused. Warthok 21:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Blackhand the Destroyer was dead way before the orcs even discovered Blackrock Mountain. Rend and Maim Blackhand established the Black Tooth Grin clan shortly after his death.Skreeran (talk) 05:49, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Skin color

For RP reasons, I was wondering... Do all Blackrocks have dark grey skin? Before WoW this never seemed to be the case, but most, if not all, orcs affliated with the Blackrock clan seem to have dark skin in WoW, even Eitrigg.Skreeran (talk) 05:49, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

In WoW they probably do as a visual hint of who is from where, but in lore they may not. I think it may be like all blood elves having green eyes and all high elves having blue eyes in the game, when Alleria Windrunner's eyes were said to be green too.--SWM2448 19:53, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

New Horde?

The article would seem to indicate that the Blackrock Clan is now almost entirely composed of those in the Dark Horde. I would contest this, after all, Rend and Maim's forces were composed of those not captured or killed. I imagine most, if not all, the Blackrocks that were interned would follow Doomhammer and Thrall, their saviors, into the New Horde.

Moreover, the banner shown on the Horde mission select screen in Warcraft 3 is that of the Blackrock clan, indicating that they are still a major part of the New Horde. Makes sense too... The Warsong have their own color and were separated from Thrall's forces throughout many parts of the game, and Thrall's forces are to numerous to be just Frostwolves.Skreeran (talk) 06:51, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, banners of the Blackrock clan were present in various missions of Warcraf III RoC and TFT and some members were part of the Horde like Eitrigg. However I don't think that many of them followed Thrall because:

1. The Blackrock clan in Lordaeron didn't followed Thrall and continued using warlock magics. (Blackrock & Roll, Too!)
2. The Blackrock clan in Azeroth followed Rend.^{[citation needed]} 
3. And Rend took control of the Blackrock clan at the death of Doomhammer.

However if you want to add that some are part of the New Horde you can, but cite it correctly. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 16:16, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Telkar?

Where is it's written that Telkar Doomhammer was the chieftan of Blackrocks before Blackhand? Also, didn't Orgrim rose to power from the Thunderdords? Citation (about Telkar leading Blackrock Clan) please. --Hallu'kenara (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice question and point! I recall... there was something with him in Rise of the Horde. Well Orgrim is said to be a Blackrock orc so his father technically too, yea? But nothing about chieftainism, that is right! --Mordecay (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Banner

Why is the banner that of the Blackrock clan from alternate Draenor? It should be the one below like the one we see on Azeroth in WoW and WCIII. --Vand3rz (talk) 11:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I have to agree. I will change all banners back. --Ryon21 (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)