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Rastakhan or Zul?
Is this Rastakhan or Ghostbusters joke Zul?--SWM2448 19:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Given what we know, I'm more inclined to say it's Zul than Rastakhan. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- But, ultimately, the problem is that all the other trolls are named except him, so we don't really have any way to solidly identify him. He could be Zul, or he could be Rastakhan, and while I feel one is more likely than the other I also feel that there's sufficient ambiguity that it could go either way. In other words, we probably shouldn't be claiming that this is Zul or Rastakhan until we get some confirmation on that point. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Moved from User talk:DarkTZeratul
As of the Patch 4.1 notes, we know that the Zandalari are now being led by the prophet Zul, NOT Rastakhan. Since Zul is now leading the Zandalar, it wouldn't make sense for Rastakhan to represent them at the meeting, would it? I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not the image I uploaded should be placed on the page again. (Kookamooka (talk) 21:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC))
- That does not mean it is not Rastakhan, king of the zandalari, no name or proof are given in the trailer
Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 21:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- But if Rastakhan no longer leads the Zandalari, why would he be there speaking in their name ? Kookamooka (talk) 21:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- We know that Zul has a strong influence on the Zandalari; we DON'T know where Rastakhan is involved in all of this. He may no longer be in charge, or he may be under Zul's influence himself. Ultimately, the troll in the trailer is never identified and there are arguments that can be made for both sides. Until we get more information, though, we can't really say with any certainty whether he's Zul or Rastakhan. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- But if Rastakhan no longer leads the Zandalari, why would he be there speaking in their name ? Kookamooka (talk) 21:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- If you follow the conversation Vol'jin has in Ghostlands outside Zul'Aman, he mentions "King Rastakhan, he be plannin' to unite da troll tribes under his Zandalari" and "Rastakhan be callin' me his brother, but da Horde be our true brothers". It sounds pretty much what's being said in the trailer. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
- This has no basis in any inside knowledge but how do we know Zul isn't Deathwing or some other powerful non-troll agent. Whats going on here isn't wholely unlike what Deathwing did during Day of the Dragon to the Alliance of Lordaeron. I know we really have no way to know but then again I'm not sure we can really be certain who this troll is either.Sayomara (talk) 22:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- While true, that is ultimately somewhat irrelevant for the discussion at hand. If the figure in the trailer is supposed to be Rastakhan it's a moot point, and if it's supposed to be Zul it doesn't matter if Zul if someone else in disguise because it's still Zul. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough, Anyone in WoW who is a "mysterious prophet" I wonder if they are who they say they are. But I tend to think with the thought this person is most likely Rastakhan who else do we know what would get this kinda of respect. The "Mysterious prophet" Zul not withstanding. Sayomara (talk) 03:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- I came to the Gourra's conclusion (4 days later :p)
- We can fairly assume the troll is Rastakhan
- Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- I came to Gourra's conclusion (16 days later :p)
- I add it to Rastakhan page thus
- N'Nanz (talk) 08:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
My 2 Cents
"Rastakhan be callin' me his brother, but da Horde be our true brothers"
The troll is Rastakhan: The troll called all of there trolls his brothers and did call out to Vol'jin when he began to walk away.
The troll is Zul: While the troll called all of the trolls there brothers, he did not once personally call Vol'jin his brother. It is not out of the realm of possible for Zul to talk during the meeting and then for Rastakhan to try to make Vol'jin reconsider his stance in person or through a letter (kind of like how Garrosh sent Magatha a letter denouncing her in the Shattering novel) before Vol'jin journeyed to the Ghostlands, thus explaining Vol'jin's Rastakhan calling him a brother comment.
"King Rastakhan, he be plannin' to unite da troll tribes under his Zandalari"
The troll is Rastakhan: The troll told the other tribes to unite under the Zandalari and form a new Troll Nation. If the troll is Rastakhan Vol'jin could see the meeting as him unveiling his plan to the other trolls. Remember just because we know that this is Zul's plan, doesn't mean that Vol'jin does.
The troll is Zul: It is Zul's plan to unite the troll race under Zandalari and Rastakhan could of let the mysterious prophet tell the other troll tribes. Vol'jin knowing Rastakhan still leads the Zandalari could see Zul acting as Rastakhan's mouth piece or herald by telling the other troll Rastakhan's plan. Remember just because we know that this is Zul's plan, doesn't mean that Vol'jin does.
I feel that their is enough inference for the troll being Rastakhan or Zul that we should just leave this image on the Patch 4.1 article with "Rastakhan or Zul" underneath it and wait for Blizzard to reveal who the troll is.
After all sometimes we just need leave the mystery alone until the creators reveal the truth. --Sairez (talk) 05:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- But are you saying that the fact of Rastakhan being described as a jungle troll isn't important? The troll in the video is visibly pink as a Zandalar troll and for me, this is the most crucial evidence. Also for me, Zul is an Emissary or representative of Rastakhan. May the troll king is busy with other thing or he just belive in Zul, being for competence as a representative of the Zandalari or just becouse this is Zul's idea with a support of Rastakhan. If the last situation is truth would be very convenient the autor of the idea pass away his plan with his own words to the other tribes. Gabrirt (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Rastakhan being described as a jungle troll really isn't important since Blizzard doesn't really use the information from the Lands of Mystery books (see the Lands of Mystery section on Baine's page). Like I've said before a enough inference can be made for troll being Zul or Rastakhan. --Sairez (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Something people seem to forget
Wasn't the term Zandalar troll, something invented after the first describtion of Zandalar (and Rastakhan)? I believe that the first RPGs never says anything about Zandalar trolls and notes that trolls of all maintribes are living on Zandalar. So in reality what we really don't know is if the info about Rastakhan has been outdated with the introduction of Zandalar trolls. Altough i may be entirely wrong, and suffering from bad memory :P — Aedror (talk) 22:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
- Nah, even in the Dark Factions RPG where they fully describe zandalar trolls, on the same page (167) they call him a jungle troll.
(Sssss/Slithered) 03:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Voice actor
I just found out that Dave Fennoy voiced Rastakhan during the trailer. This information, plus the fact Vol'jin indicated in his dialogue that it was Rastakhan who wanted to unite the Trolls, does lean strongly towards it being Rastakhan. But this isn't enough, isn't it?--LemonBaby (talk) 20:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Move
Since we now know the troll is Zul, how about a move to "Zul 4.1Trailer.jpg"?--LemonBaby (talk) 06:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
