Talk:Village

While the category is handy the "definition" seems to be based upon speculation based on assorted population quotes. Such data should probably marked with speculation tag. For all we know "populatioh" might not have any thing to do with the reason behind classifying it as a village, it could be political, economic reasons, and other reasons.Baggins (talk) 19:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

While it could be, tell me, where have you seen that village is described for political or economical reasons? We have just let in what little lore blizzard gives us. What I think is that Blizzard didn't do a section in one of the RPGs to describe a village because they are like the villages in real life and it would be a nonsense to put a definition. In wikipedia it says that a village is "settlement or community, larger than a hamlet, but smaller than a town or city."[1], and as you can see a village in Warcraft Universe match more or less that decription; besides in Wikipedia is told that there are villages with less than 200 people and of more than 10000, also more or less matching the information of the Warcraft Universe. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 20:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Real world definitions without official reference by Blizzard in any source? Hmm, where have we seen that problem before? The way the page is written its specualatory editorial comment based on citations. Still a form of speculaiton and needs the spec tag, or complete removal.Baggins (talk) 20:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

What I am trying to tell is that we put the sources that are presented, why should it be speculation? Also you didn't answered me the "it could be political, economic reasons, and other reasons." For what I know, no village has ever been defined by political or economical reasons. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Interpretations based off of varifiabally citeable source is still an interpretation. Interpretation is a form of speculation (if you haven't noticed our speculation tag is specific to point out that speculation should be cited if possible). Frankly I don't know what hte criteria is, but population for towns, overlaps the population of village, and the terms village and town often get used interchangeably. These details can be cited... But it still doesn't tell us much what the RPG authors meant by the use of the terms.Baggins (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that's what you meant, that the towns overlap with the villages. I have been checking the sources and I was wrong. Your recent edits really make the article looks better, less real-life info and more warcraft universe info :) Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 21:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the majority of this article to Village per WW:CAT. The "definition" does not serve to define what is or is not a village, it is merely describing various population sizes that villages can come in. As it has properly cited sources, it should not be labeled as speculation, but it should also be noted that it is not clear if population size serves to define whether or not a region should be called a village as far as Warcraft is concerned. --Pcj (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 21:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Good god this material is so arbritary, if you go by the rpg not all villages are villages... I'm thinking that the classifications have somethng more to do with DnD resource and profession management rather than population. However I don't have access to how community rules work in the DnD games, and the WArcraft core books don't go into much detail about different types of towns. In other words I think these classifications have to do with RPG game mechanics rather than actually lore information.

• Winterfall Village (village, 300)
• Shadowprey Village (small village, 900)
• Felpaw Village (Encampment, 650)
• Deadwood Village (encamptment, 725)
• Icemist Village (small village, 160)
• Voodress Village (village, 1,000)
• Roguefeather Den (village, 750)
• Mirage Raceway (village, 1,000)
• Freewind Post (village, 800)
• Darkcloud Pinnacle (village, 450)
• Camp E'thok (village, 750)
• Splithoof Crag (village, 1,000)
• Zul'Farrak (village, 450)
• Steamwheedle Port (village, 500)
• Gadgetzan (village, 1,500)
• Dunemaul Compound (village, 300)
• Twilight Base Camp (village, 640)
• Camp Mojache (village, 360)
• Sunrock Retreat (1,500
• Stonetalon Peak (village, 1,750)
• Redcloud Mesa (village, 650)
• Bloodhoof village (1,000)
• Brackenwall Village (village, 1,000)
• Sen’jin Village (village, 2,000)
• Valley of Spears (village, 1,500)
• Starfall Village (village, 1,500)
• Rut’theran Village (village, 300)
• Aldrassil (village, 2,000)

I'm going to say the page is just not noteable... has major accuracy issues... Its so arbritrary to mean that no actual definition is given, and its probably not based on population at all... I would argue about the relevency and noteability of maintaening such a page.Baggins (talk) 22:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Also "stable village" its taken out of context... Its stable as in the opposite to "unstable", I.E, "...stable villages, towns, and cities...".Baggins (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Funny how city and village get used interchangeably here;

Dolanaar (city, 5,000): Located in the center of Teldrassil, Dolanaar is a night elf village run by Talonkai Swiftroot.

Yep, the arbritary use of village shows its ugly head yet again...Baggins (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh here is another one;

Population: 3,500....A farming village, Darkshire.Baggins (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

About the stable sorry, I confused the terms, as my main language is not english I thought they were talking about the stables of horses instead of stability xD. I'm sorry. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem thanks for explaining.Baggins (talk) 23:28, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Well that is why I put "village, hamlet, encampment, camp", etc. because those overlap in population but the overall theme is "village" as you can see by the list you made above where the population is within a given area. In this case, 300 - 2,000 residents. As for things like city and town and village, they don't overlap in population numbers I think really so we have categories for town, city, etc. Also, like I told you awhile ago, I was just using the term next to the population in the RPG infobox i.e. Dolanaar (city, 5,000) which is an official source. As for a settlement being called different terms, I told you how Stormwind City has been called in the RPG everything from town to metropolis, yet we use the population number from the metropolis source in the article. Like PCJ said, I am not trying to define what is a village, just describing various population sizes and the number range that villages can come in as told in the RPG infoboxes. As for WoW settlements that are not found in the RPG population infobox, we can probably only go by its name like "something village" or "something camp" to know that it is a village type of settlement, but we won't be able to put the population part as WoW will probably not mention that. Also, if you notice, a lot of the settlements called "villages" in the above list have the word "village" in their name so it is not too way out there. Rolandius (talk - contr) 02:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Also your argument that it is based on "DnD resource and profession management rather than population" is not a strong case. Most of these sources are from Lands of Conflict and Lands of Mystery. Lands of Mystery was part of the WoWRPG system which I thought relied way less on D&D i.e. it was not "Dungeons and Dragons: Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game" anymore it was "World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game" using different rules. Even the citations from Lands of Conflict do not all have to be assumed to be based on "DnD resource and profession management rather than population" because remember you thought "Tarshesite" might be a inclusion from D&D, yet I cannot find anything in D&D about the term Tarshesite. It looks to be a Warcraft invented term. Rolandius (talk - contr) 03:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Baggins just leave it as is. I am using the term next to the population number, not every term that the settlement has been called in history. If we do it your way, we have to mention on Stormwind City that it is a town, city, and metropolis. On the town and city articles we would have to mention that towns can be cities, cities can be towns, cities can be metropolises. You see how confusing it starts getting in which why even have an article on towns, cities, etc. since they are all going to be overlapping. Rolandius (talk - contr) 03:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

....see also talk: settlement.Baggins (talk) 02:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I just cleaned up the article, I expanded it and deleted all speculative information. What I have done is just presented facts with sources, and didn't try to connect all, because that would be speculation. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 05:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)