Talk:Thros, the Blighted Lands

Thros

First, about Gorak Tul never being in this land, is there any statement confirming that? And about the Emerald Dream. It is really confusing where Thros is. It is a realm of death, but Afrasiabi said it was part of the Nightmare. How does that work? The Emerald Dream also has a "Shadowlands"? Weren't these two like, the opposite thing? --Ryon21 (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I was wrong in my editing summary, you'll see on the page I've noted Gorak Tul was indeed in Thros. Unlike the drust, however, who couldn't leave without possessing the wicker creatures, he could be physically re-summoned. Also, honestly, I believe it's a connecting point between the shadowlands and the dream. He said the Drust bound themselves to the "Realms of Death", which ended up being an offshoot of a nightmare corrupted dream area. They are the opposite, but at the same time, Drust magic has been described as "Druidic Death Magic". It's a weird mix of the three. --Berenal (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

From my understanding of the interview. The "realms of death" is an offshoot of the Emerald Dream and the Nightmare, then it had to be, somehow, created when the Titans ordered Azeroth. Are the Shadowlands part of these realms? If the Shadowlands is part of it, how can other planets have them to? --Ryon21 (talk) 17:51, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The Shadowlands has the least amount of lore for it, but it's said to be the 'opposite' of the Emerald Dream. Maybe in creating the dream, the titans inadvertently created its antithesis? Sort of like how fel is the opposite to Arcane. It's also possible they created the Shadowlands as a sort of counter balance. It's the source of Necrotic energy, which plays a part in Drust magic which is combining the two together. Odyn seemed to have some semblence of using it cause of the Val'kyr, so I doubt that it just randomly happened without the Titans knowledge. --Berenal (talk) 18:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

He called it an offshoot of the Dream/Nightmare, and then he exclusively refers to it as derived from the Nightmare. Honestly it's kind of nonsense, literally nothing even remotely hints at a connection between the Nightmare and this in-game or in the dungeon journals anywhere, and is exclusively treated as some death realm. Same for how it was described last BlizzCon. -- MyMindWontQuiet 19:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

This is most likely a new case of either laziness or ignorance on the game designers' part. Kul Tiras used to be a region of the lone Kalimdor continent back when the Emerald Dream was created, as Chronicle maps show.

The Sundering never happened inside the Emerald Dream, and thus Kalimdor's landmass didn't sink into the Great Sea which never formed.

The land that was modeled after Kul Tiras never became an island within the Dream, which means that Drustvar's equivalent in the Emerald Dream does not have sea shores, and should another sundering have happened later, it most probably couldn't produce the very same effects.

The same phenomenon can be observed in the past version of the Azshara region that we visit during  [10-45] Huln's War - The Arrival, subsequent quests and world quests happening in the same time and space: they merely used the Vanilla map with its post-Sundering coastline.

The Thros that we visit, should it be a true region of the Emerald Dream, is most likely twisted by the Nightmare or another force that prompts Gorak Tul to use death magic, into a version of Drustvar that is very close to its Azerothian counterpart.--KIROCHI) 15:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't know if that description of the ED is accurate anymore. Chronicle says the Dream is always changing form and life is keeping the pace with Azeroth itself. I think the Dream has not just one shape but many. It may not only show as an old and complete Kalidmor, but also as the broken world, or even areas not found on Azeroth. --Ryon21 (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Just for reference for Mrforesttroll, earlier in the interview Alex says: "...which is kind of an offshoot of the dream or the nightmare..." --Mordecay (talk) 20:32, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that might change things. And also... whaaat? I thought it was its counterpart not an extension. Unless they refer to Arenweald. Either way this is very confusing and we may better wait until the expansion comes out.
UPDATE: Unless those "death realms" he says is Thros which then, yeah. I don't know anymore. --Ryon21 (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I´m not completely sure either, but listening to that part, it looks like to me that he refers to Thros as death realms. --Mordecay (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)