Talk:Sea witch

Merge

Similar to how Naga mage and Siren were put together. Priestess of the tides and naga sea witch should also be merged. Unless there's a reason not to? Second question is, which article name should take priority, the correct title (Priestess of the tides) or the informal name (Sea witch)? Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 21:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Isn't this one about the RPG class and the other about the sub-race?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Naga have no subraces. Race debates are often pointless and circular. Do you have any proof?--SWM2448 23:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Naga anomaly says they kinda do.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

No it doesn't. All naga are naga, only thing it says is naga vary by mutation and mostly the changes are only cosmetic. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Merging them. The article can be on Naga sea witch for the moment, though it should be moved to either sea witch or priestess of the tides. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I vote sea witch.--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:43, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

"Sea Witch" was Zar'jira's name, while the hero unit's class was called "Naga Sea Witch". I "vote" the latter.--SWM2448 02:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Existing articles about Zar'jira in W3 link to Sea Witch, so I think it will be easier to keep priestess of the tides under naga sea witch than Sea Witch. However, "naga sea witch" is a very inelegant term in that it contains the race in the class' title - I "vote" for priestess of the tides.--Weasel (talk) 05:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree. There are too many pages with the same content. I "vote" for priestess of the tides. Sea witch seems to be a more informal name given by outsiders --LemonBaby (talk) 07:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Uhm, tbh Priestess of the Tides are Healer type and Sea Witches are mage/elemental shaman type casters, I'm not reallu sure if they can be merged. If anything a page like Naga Spellcasters could be made, including all of them. Encaitar 17:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Despite the use of the term "priest", it refers to the abilities of the Naga Sea Witch hero unit, not the playable priest class. Sirens are apparently mages.--SWM2448 18:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

True, but for instance priestess of tides in Blasted Lands have much different set of abilites. Also well a Sea Witch isn't as much of an informal name as the text of this page says. After all it was used by Blizzard in their game. It's not like a name that they're refered by the "surface dwellers", but the name that they use themselves.

PS for some reason both Priestess of the Tides and Sea Witch both redirect here, so I'm not really sure what's the point of discussion about merging the articles, if there are none:P Encaitar 22:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Cause it was already merged, look up at Merging them.. The topic now is about which page it should be on... and It's quoted directly from Dark Factions. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 22:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Well I for one don't really understand the reverence with which people treat those RPG books. They are full of errors, and Blizzard knows of it well. You know yourself how many retcons were caused by them, because people who wrote them didn't pay too much attention to the story itself or were a bit too creative while writing. And well Blizzard themselves make a lot of errors (for instance the Draenei story and Metzen "Oh well it was 5 years ago, who'd remeber that" or the Wildhammer's Red shirt guy and poitning out the Kurdran - Falstad mistake). Encaitar 22:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure naga aren't humble enough to call themselves witches - I think it's very likely that that's just what other races call them. I am now confused how Tide Priestesses and Sea Witches are the same:

"Sirens" in WoW - Use principally frost spells, with rare ones using shadow. Some even use bows like Sea Witches.

"Tide Priestesses" in WoW - Use holy, and frost spells - Don't use bows.

"Sea Witches" in WoW - Frost, lightning/nature, even shadow magics. Some channel, others use bows.

Compared to W3 and the RPGs:

Sirens - Frost and nature spells. No bows.

Sea Witches - Nature and arcane spells. Use bows primarily.

Now that the articles are merged, I don't know where to find RPG references for each one.--Weasel (talk) 01:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Point of note... the Priestess of the tides contained lore, whereas the naga sea witch page contained ""Sea witch" is the informal term for a naga priestess of the tides." Which was removed, the rest of it was moved to the Warcraft III section... nothing is missing that wasn't there before. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 02:09, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

In the light of the new events surrounding the new Blizzard statement (or well Blizzard actual statement on this matter), I believe the merge of those pages should be reconsidered honestly. Encaitar 14:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sea Witch

Naga sea witch vers Sea witch

Seems Naga sea witch is sourced, on Manual of Monsters, pg 188, when describing Lady Vashj while at the same time calling her a priestess. So I guess it can stay here if desired. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 02:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I still prefer naga sea witch, i think it references the sub-race with snake hair, and priestess of the tides references the specific class.--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:01, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

"Naga Sea Witch" was the class that started the concept. I do not think that they are sub-races, and even if I did, no one could cite it in a meaningful way.--SWM2448 03:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Well i would consider snake hair a sub-race but naga are supposedly inertly weird i their genes, the description on the naga anomaly implies there at least someone trying to categorise all types of anomalies.--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Hugh Deepstone was trying to catalogue all naga anomalies. That is not the same as trying to categorize all types of anomalies. The passage reads: An enterprising member of the Explorers' League — Hugh Deepstone — specializes in strange and exotic creatures. The naga intrigue him especially, as they are all mutants, and naga anomalies hold great interest for him. Hugh started a catalogue of known naga anomalies, in order to keep track of their capabilities and share this information with the rest of the Explorers' League.--SWM2448 03:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Right what i'm saying the sea witch snake hair is probably one of the types of a naga anomaly.--Ashbear160 (talk) 04:06, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

What are you agreeing with me if that is the opposite of what I just said? Dark Factions has female naga getting snake hair as part of the Naga racial class, as opposed to the Naga Anomaly class.--SWM2448 04:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)