Talk:Mag'har (faction)

Brown skin for orc players?

Shouldn't they add let some orc players have brown skin like the Mag'har,it wouldn't be too hard and it would make sense for there to be a few orcs in the horde who didn't get their skin messed up warlock magic? Angry ogre

Why? All the orcs that went through the portal would have had green skin - even Durotan became green. User:Kirkburn/Sig 01:23, 22 January 2007 (EST)

No it was the fel magiks that made their skin turn green. Speaking of which shouldn't the presence of blood elf(who are being eaten away by demonic energy),make the skin of the maghar green? Angry ogre

Then why did Durotan's skin go green, which is my point. And why should it go back from being green a very few years after the 'curse' having been lifted? And blood elves have been affected - see their eyes :P I see your point, but one can put it down to physiological differences between the races. User:Kirkburn/Sig 03:18, 22 January 2007 (EST)

When did I say the blood elves were not effected? What I suggested was that the presence of a blood elf(who filled with fel energy) should have a negative affect on the mag'har's skin. Anyway Durotan wasn't using warlock magic but he was near people who used it making his skin green. And no the green skin will not ever go away,it will just stay as a permenant reminder of the blood haze. Angry ogre

Wonderful. You argue a point, then change it part-way through. It's impossible to debate with you. All Azerothian orcs are those who went through the portal. All those who went through the portal were green or going green. Therefore, no brown orcs. Then I gave you a reason why blood elves skin might not change - physiological differences. But you either didn't bother reading it or just plain ignored that, didn't you? User:Kirkburn/Sig 22:57, 22 January 2007 (EST)

for the last time, it was not the portal that changed their skin,it was beings near the fel magiks casted by warlocks. And also I have heard blood elves skin has a reddish hue due to demonic energy. Angry ogre

What? I didn't say it did! Jebus. As to blood elves, um so haven't you just answered your own question which was Speaking of which shouldn't the presence of blood elf,change their skin?. I feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall, give me something to work with! :) All orcs that went through the portal would have been green or going green. Why, exactly, would there be brown ones? User:Kirkburn/Sig 23:24, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Yes I am well aware of the fact that the orcs none of the orcs who passed into Azeroth years ago were mag'har. But whose to say a few mag'har in the present time couldn't go through the portal now and go to orc settlements in Azeroth. Angry ogre

Because that's not who the orcs we play as are. It would also require the changing of many quests and abilities, unfortunately. User:Kirkburn/Sig 01:22, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Yeah I suppose the flavor text would act like you were the original(or descendants) of the orcs that came through the dark portal. Angry ogre

No matter how orcs became green - all Azerothian orcs are green, and only these are playable - No brown playable orcs! (You no take candle!)User:Sul'jin/Sig05:03, 23 January 2007 (EST)

What I think Kirkburn was trying to point out earlier about the blood elves was possibly that orc skin is different from blood elf skin (just like human skin is different from horse skin or chicken skin or octopus skin), so while the fel energies may have changed the orcs' skin to green or greenish (there are colours of Azerothian orcs that is more brownish than others), this might not apply to the same extent with blood elves. That said, blood elves do tend to have darker and more ginger skin than the paler high elves. So perhaps the demonic presence *is* affecting their skin... it just won't become green. Blood elves seem to have the same pigment style as humans, gnomes and dwarves (lepers and dark irons notwithstanding), so it seems very unlikely for their skin to take on the type of tones that orcs have. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 07:54, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Spot on! User:Kirkburn/Sig 09:11, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Angry Ogre, please don't edit old comments to clarify them. Clarify them with a new comment. This way it doesn't ruin the flow of a conversation. Anyway, where are the blood elves in close proximity to the Mag'har? User:Kirkburn/Sig 18:03, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Alright fine. I just wanted to make sure you understood what I was saying. I'm saying lorewise if a blood elf or warlock stands close to a mah'har shouldn't it slowly make their skin green?

Angry ogre

Yup, I guess it might - but given the time lengths we're working with in TBC, I don't think it would be long enough to show a difference (the change was extremely gradual for those that didn't drink the blood). Glad I now understand what you meant :) User:Kirkburn/Sig 04:53, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I think that the blood elves are unlikely to suffer as large a pigmentation change, as the orcs seem to be more prone to it since the shift from brown to green wasn't caused by fel energy at all. The shift from brown to red of the fel orcs was caused by fel energy. Durotan never drank of the blood of mannaroth and thus was never tainted with it. The reason they changed from brown to green was that they had abandon the spirits of the earth and the power that they provided. The mag'har never did, thus they're still green. No azerothian orc could still be tied to the spirits of Outland, so all orcs on Azeroth are either turned green or got tainted and went red. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jalben (talk · contr).

I'm pretty certain the green pigmentation change is due to the use of warlock magics (and the proximity to thus), and not down to a lack of spirit connection. User:Kirkburn/Sig 23:12, 6 February 2007 (EST)

It never actually never says ANYTHING about the fel magics, or the spirits, or any of that turning the skin to green completely. you can take from it that those are the [obvious] reasons, but it may be more than that. maybe it was that the mag'har were away from their clans, and once they saw how stuff was going down they left. they were still connected to the land, they were still connected to oshu'gun, they werent killing draenei, they werent near warlocks. i am guessing it is a mix of ALL of these. while durotan didn't drink, he was around the fel magics. he wasn't with the ancestors. he killed draenei. he lived in HFC. and perhaps it is something like a disease (the way it was described in the book, their brown skin would die and flake off and be replaced by greener and greener, this sounds like a disease) created through all of these things. so no, i don't think the mag'har just being AROUND the warlocks would change them, considering the high born didn't change when they were with azshara, the humans haven't changed and they have been using demons for a long time in small amounts. i think it only happens if it is on a mass scale, with other things involved.--Haddon 21:48, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Mag'har OR Mag'Har?

I saw both spellings in the article, though recently changed them all to Mag'har. I don't have a beta account, so I'm not sure how this is spelled in-game. User:Montag/sig 15:38, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Rep

Do they also start as Unfriendly for the Horde ?--K ) (talk) 03:36, 8 December 2006 (EST)

Yes they do start out unfriendly to the horde. And currently im trying to figure out how the heck you talk to those guys! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beserke (talk · contr).

There is a quest you do in Hellfire that gets you to neutral with them :) --Rawtoast 23:56, 10 March 2007 (EST)

In HFP you say? On the Alliance side the Kurenai quests don't start until Zangarmarsh. User:Kirkburn/Sig2 00:40, 11 March 2007 (EST)

There is a quest involving a Fel Orc assasin heading towards Thrallmar. You find the assasin dead, namely the Fel Orc Corpse. This starts a quest chain once you report back Nazgrel about the weapon used to kill him, which leads to Thrall, who then sends you up to speak with the spirits, who take you to the Mag'Har post and speak with the leader there. This is all in Hellfire Pennensula. Happy hunting :) --Eman91 12:52, 2008-02-19

Mag'har rep toys?

Where does one buy Mag'har reputation rewards? I can't find the guy anywhere, and the 'rewards' section just links to Wowhead, which just lists the rewards, not where to get them. --Azaram 21:55, 18 March 2007 (EDT) (signed retroactively. Oops...)

In Garadar, I believe the western/southwestern side (my Horde alts are not high enough to get into Outland yet, so I am not 100% sure). What you can do is click on the rewards link, click on one of the rewards, and then the NPC that sells it. Wowhead will show it on the map. Oh, and don't forget to sign your comments. --Maenos 21:14, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

I found it after that, but it would have been much easier to find it here, so I added her name. Thanks, tho. --Azaram 21:55, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Architecture

Has anyone noticed that the architecture of the Mag'har is based off the buildings from Warcraft: Orcs & Humans? Here is my evidence made with WoW Model Viewer and the icons on Orcish Horde of the First War.--SWM2448 19:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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Good point. It suggests that during the First War, they used similar building types to those back at home on draenor - however, over time their buildings become more and more "warlike" and nomadic. Those back on draenor/Outland never changed their building style. I'd say it's a strong enough point to deserve mentioning on an article. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Mag'har capitalization

Is it Mag'har or mag'har? Over on Red pox it is spelled mag'har. Rolandius (talk - contr) 08:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how it's treated in-game (probably capitalized cause it's a faction), but it's definetly not capitalized in BtDP, where the red pox information comes from- but then, Geyah is using it as a description.--Ragestorm (talk · contr)

It's capitalized in all of the few times it's used in The Shattering, both as a proper noun ("the Mag'har") and as an adjective ("...roast clefthoof, Mag'har grain bread...") Primal Zed (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Nagrand

It says "The orcs, and Nagrand, became known as mag'har" but wouldn't something like Nagrand, a location, be spelled "Mag'har" and not "mag'har"? Rolandius (talk - contr) 11:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

No. "Mag'har" is a description of the land, "uncorrupted". Could be clarified a bit I guess. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay so "mah'har" isn't an "aka" of Nagrand? It has been called Nagrand for a long time? Rolandius (talk - contr) 01:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

It's always been called Nagrand. I don't think there's ever been an alternate name.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay. The article made it sound like the mag'har gave an alternative name to Nagrand, which was mag'har also. Rolandius (talk - contr) 03:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

New box

we should do my racebox for mag'har since there a race right my box is user:Hallowseve15/Mag'har Hallowseve15 (talk) 12:04, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

They're really more of a faction- the only physiological difference is their skin color. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:47, December 1, 2009 (UTC)