Talk:Keeper of the grove

I think Cenarius only fathered Celebras, Zaetar, and Remulos, and the rest of the Keepers of the Grove are offspring of those three. Similar to how Zaetar's relations with Princess Fugly spawned the Centaur, so did their relations with... whatever... spawn the Children of Cenarius. Speaking of which... who the hell is the mother of these things? Some other elemental goddess of some kind perhaps? --Anticrash 16:21, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

Celebras is explicitly stated to be Remulos' son, not Cenarius'. What's your reason for thinking that Cenarius didn't have any other sons besides Remulos and Zaetar, when many Keepers and dryads are referred to as his sons and daughters? --Aeleas 17:02, 6 Jan 2006 (EST)

They all trace their ancestry to Cenarius and his teaching. Hence, all Keepers and Dryads are his sons and daughters, spritiually, if not emotionally. Ragestorm 08:11, 9 Mar 2006 (EST)

Is it just me or the keepers in WC3 say "By the Spirits"? Which spirits are they refering to? --Ramming pure 05:15, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Forest spirits, ie Wisp. Saimdusan 23:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Reproduction?

So we know that all KoTGs and Dryads are either children of Cenarius or offspring thereof, but... erm... how do they... reproduce? KoTGs are like... four times the size of Dryads... do they lay eggs? What?

Please sign your posts. Well, I suppose that's a good question, though I think four times isn't quite correct- seeing as how dryads stand a bit taller than Night Elves, that could make a Keeper as tall as a Sea Giant- about 0.5 times as big, if that much. Their upper half is Night Elf, and their lower halves are deer, it's logical to assume that they reproduce via gamete meiosis (in the same way that both deer and night elves do). information about the mating habits of Cenarions is not exactly an urgent sector of lore. --Ragestorm 21:33, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

While certainly nothing to do with lore, I sometimes can't help wondering what their internal anatomy is like (maybe that's the budding doctor in me). But think about their digestion... they must have looooooong intestines! :O And where's the heart, liver and kidneys? In the lower or upper part? Hmm, maybe they have two sets of each. /end pointless ramble --  Varghedin  talk / contribs 11:25, 19 January 2007 (EST)

C.S. Lewis theorized that centaurs must eat six meals a day, three for their human stomach and three for their horse stomach, confirmin that they had two of each. As for reproductive organs, they would either be located on the deer part of their bodies, near the hind legs, or else hidden behind the fur at the bottom on the night elf torso. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:13, 19 January 2007 (EST)

As far as i can think it would not be smart to have your reproductive organs on your chest or stomach as you say. Think about getting hit in the groin (ouch!) then think about having you groin on you chest in such a world, that would mean Fireball in groin! but perhaps that was how Grom defeated Cenarius. -Rovdyr

I think you've grabbed the wrong end of the stick. By "bottom of the night elf torso", I was referring to the groin area, which may or may not be the groin area, hence the whole point of this discussion. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:52, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Yea..

Yea and whos Cenarius' mate? --Ramming pure 07:10, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Immaculate conception? Oh, and sign your posts please. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:01, 19 January 2007 (EST)

If Elune couldn't manage immaculate conception, I doubt her son would. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:27, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Yeah, it was a joke :) It is hard to imagine what his mate could be though, since he was the first of his kind, and the first dryad was his daughter. Hmm. Aessina? ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:41, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Hmm... perhaps. Maybe he had a sister we don't know about? (that's very common in mythology) For all we know, it could have been Aviana. Interesting lore difficulty there.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:17, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Alliance?

KOTGs seem more neutral. Its true that their close to night elves but they haven't really taken part in the war agaisnt the horde. --Ramming pure 04:38, 31 January 2007 (EST)

The Horde has several quests involving the murdering and looting of dryads and keepers in Ashenvale and Stonetalon. I doubt they're on great terms. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:12, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Actually Grom Hellscream killed Cenarius so they don't have any reason not to be furious at the Horde, whos represantative Grome was. PS: I really hate theese quests, they ruin the image of the Horde ElfElunaAlina 00:15, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Confused about line

The keeper of the grove - Son of Cenarius, the father of many keepers, also said to be the eldest son of Cenarious, so may be Zaetar. Who is that referring to? An unnamed WC3 character or something? Raze 07:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Uh, read the quoted section of a short story under centaurs, in the "other legends" section, that should explain it for you. But basically according to the night elf legend, Cenarius originally had 3 children, not given any specific names other than, the keeper of the grove, the dryad, and the centaur. Each of these children were implied to be progenitors of each of their specific races.Baggins 08:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahh I see now, thanks. I would suggest changing the wording or add a link as it seems to make little sense without having read that passage. Raze 08:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Moved

I just have an idea, that this whole page should be moved to Cenarian because it seems that Cenarian is the race and Keeper of the Grove a class. Malfurion was a Keeper wasnt he? --The Lich King 13:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you read the page you linked? Kirkburn  talk  contr 13:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Heh... now I have... well... Heh... Okay... Then it was nothing... --The Lich King 19:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Furion the Keeper...?

I'd like to know why Malfurion Stormrage is added to KOTG. Or is this just a mistake or a joke? Well, Furion was the student of Cenarius, but that doesn't make him a Keeper, in my opinion... Nuti 16:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Furion Stormrage was a KotC, using Keeper powers, in RoC and TFT. It's possible that Keepers and archdruids have similar abilities. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

So this article handles also a class called "Keeper f the Grove"? Hmm, if Furion has added to a Keeper, it must to be. That nelf doesn't seem as deer-like as normal Keepers :) Well, I'd like to mention that Furion is a Keeper BY HIS CLASS, not by his race. Well, that fact can be a self-evidence... EDIT: Okay, okay, it was mentioned already. Nuti 05:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, he's also kinda of a special case considering that he is the only, or one of the only night elves to grow "keeper" horns on his head.Baggins (talk) 08:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't this article's title be spelled "Keeper of the grove" since in sentences, like in the middle or end of a sentence, it is spelled "keeper of the grove"? Rolandius (talk - contr) 08:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. g0urra[T҂C] 09:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay that really explained everything. Rolandius (talk - contr) 10:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes it's a title, sometimes it's a species label. The article uses the latter, most in-game usage from RoC and WoW uses the former. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

As a species its just "keepers of the grove" (lower case). Though perhaps only in the RPG? However, generally when discussed as a species, "keepers of the grove" is just shortened to just "keepers".Baggins (talk) 21:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Either way, the title of the article should be Keeper of the grove and not Keeper of the Grove. Rolandius (talk - contr) 15:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. The name is fine as it is, just like how Druid of the Wild, Talon etc is. g0urra[T҂C] 15:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Why do we have articles like "Blood mage", "Mountain king", "Spirit walker", etc. which are not all capitalized words. Rolandius (talk - contr) 15:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

That's unrelated. g0urra[T҂C] 15:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Those 6 pages look the same to me. They are from the RPG and also WC3 units. Where is the difference? Rolandius (talk - contr) 02:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Rolandius on this one. The subject of the article itself is about the species/race keeper of the grove. When used as a proper noun, it's of course capitalized. But I really don't see a big difference between Mountain king and Keeper of the Grove as well.--Iggey (talk) 13:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

No reaction? :(--Iggey (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)