Talk:Jinyu empire

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Alright, silly quest developers forgetting grammar aside....

Should we really let grammatical errors dictate the names of pages? We knew what happened with the "kal'dorei" uproar at the start of Legion, lmao. Feels a little wrong in my opinion but I suppose if one wishes to be 100% authentic it goes. Even if wrong... – WarGodZajru (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Wrong?--SWM2448 23:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

If the word "empire" is paired with a proper noun, in this case "jinyu", it would be capitalized. Examples of this is the Roman Empire in real life, it's capitalized and is recognized as a proper name and so is the British Empire, Mongol Empire, Aztec Empire and so on. Thus, "Jinyu Empire" is grammatically correct, while "Jinyu empire" is not and so on. – WarGodZajru (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Unless it is a descriptor and not a proper noun.--SWM2448 00:10, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Which it isn't. It is a proper noun. The word "empire" should -always- be capitalized when part of a name (and never when it's alone) and so the correct name is "Jinyu Empire" same with "Mogu Empire", even if the quest developer missed out on grammar, which is fine, everyone does that every once in a while. Doesn't mean it's not grammatically wrong though. And thus, wrong. – WarGodZajru (talk) 00:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

"The Something is the jinyu empire" would be correct if it had another name, which it may. Same with the mogu, which has other names that the pandaren gave it.--SWM2448 00:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Your argument is making no sense right now. What you say is true and I already know that but it's not what I'm arguing. "Jinyu Empire" is the name and as such should be capitalized. No point in trying to argue against that as that is how it is.

Dictionary.com - "Empire"

WritingFiles - Punctuation (Capitalization)

Ancient History Encyclopedia - Style Guide (Capitalization)

And you can check literally any empire page on Wikipedia (British Empire. Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire) and it follows this rule through and through. – WarGodZajru (talk) 00:32, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I still think we should stick to what's been written by Blizzard rather than assuming that it being written as "jinyu empire" is a mistake. For all we know, the empire had an actual, proper name that Blizzard hasn't revealed for whatever reason, and "jinyu empire" is just a generic descriptor that they intentionally chose to write in lowercase. -- DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 00:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

While I do get what you're saying, if that was their intent, it should've been written as "The mogu fought against the empire of the jinyu" or "The mogu fought against the jinyu's empire" (note the apostrophe), both of which indicate the empire has another name. Rather than "The mogu fought against the jinyu empire" which is a name with incorrect grammar. Doesn't change the fact that the page name is in fact a name nonetheless and as such should have proper capitalization. – WarGodZajru (talk) 00:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Meh. I prefer sticking to Blizzard's actual source material rather than using real-world grammatical rules to decide "this thing Blizzard has written is actually wrong and we should change it to be more correct", even when it is actually technically incorrect. See Inquisitior Zalinor; clearly his name is a misspelled version of "inquisitor", but the page is still located at the name that Blizzard gave the mob. I'd be fine with keeping this article as-is but adding a {{sic}} tag in the lead section to indicate "this isn't really the name this would logically have, but Blizzard hasn't provided a better name for it". -- DeludedTroll (talk • contribs)

Or the decidedly non-gelatinous  [Viscous Hammer]. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

If there isn't a single case where it's capitalized as "Jinyu Empire" I don't think there's really anything to imply that this was the proper name the jinyu used for their civilization. It might well bem but it would also be an assumption. PeterWind (talk) 01:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Even then, I find it would be a better solution to fix up the grammatical mistake(s) (because in the end it is one no matter what) and then address the grammatical errors in a "Notes & trivia" section like we did with "kal'dorei" for when that was the grammatical error of the month. "The Jinyu Empire was misspelled in quest text yada yada" rather than slapping on a {{sic}} tag (cus it looks eugh) and allowing poor grammar to float about, cus da's sad and promoting bad grammar is dum... Not to mention, it causes an awkward discrepancy across the wiki when other empires are spelled correctly. Empire of Zul, Gurubashi Empire, Amani Empire, Kaldorei Empire and so on. – WarGodZajru (talk) 03:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Is the "jinyu empire" capitalized or not, mentione anywhere beside that statue plaque? PeterWind (talk) 06:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

It is not. That's the only occurrence of it. Things like Chronicle Volume 1 only use generic descriptors like "the jinyu established a small empire", and never uses the term "jinyu empire" directly (or "hozen empire", for that matter). -- DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 11:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)