Talk:Illidan Stormrage/Archive 1

Thank God

If Illidan will be killable char, probably Kael'thas will be too and I can't think of a f___ing warrior called "aragorn_123" wielding the sacred Flamestrike, first wielded by the legendary Dath'remar, the first of the High Elves. And them... in a future expansion, Arthas will be killable too. "yo letz organize a party to get a frostsmourne and some dk armor set!!!1".

Thank God Uther and Grom died in WC3... --Brasilrag 13:59, 4 April 2006

So in Standard Written English, are you in support or opposition to Illidan being a Raid Boss? -- Ragestorm 17:21, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

I am against for all reasons said above, but I also think that he will get away before you kill him and then you can loot something he leaves behind or his throne or something. Nicholas

You can actually understand what was said above? The only thing I could decipher was that he was spiteful (and very rightly so) of people with brains to small to come up with their own names. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:30, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Yeah, it's a pretty lousy end for Kael'thas, no matter how evil he's gotten, to be dismissed to the level of raid boss. So that makes it a thousand times worse for Illidan. Oh, the shame:!!--Daughter of Sargeras 01:38, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Its going to be a very lousy end for all characters I believe. Even the minor ones (like Lady Vashj) I cannot even begin to fathom a killable Arthas... -Erissia Feb. 8th, 2007

Profitable characters don't die. User:Montag/sig 00:22, 9 February 2007 (EST)

When you "kill" Kel'Thuzad in Naxxramas, he drops his phylactery...you would think that your character would destroy the phylactery for good, but if you right-click on it, you'll get a quest that INSIST on having you bring it back to Father Inigo Montoy...Now I think that Kel'Thuzad is a pretty major character in Warcraft lore, and you'd find out later on that the Argent Dawn does not actually receive the phylactery...

This simply shows that important characters in the World of Warcraft doesn't really die, and this would probably be applied to the same case as Illidan (hopefully, anyways). Maxisfreak315 03:26, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Wait a second...

Will Blood Elves be able to fight Illidan? Isn't Illidan their ruler? Or maybe they fake it to gain trust with the Horde? Saimdusan

VERY long story. Blood Elves who serve Illidan are a separate faction from those in the Horde. The exact logistics aren't quite clear. --Ragestorm 17:19, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Oops, sorry Kirochi (it is you, right?)

Illidan Rocks (that's a member name, not a love declaration), would you mind posting in here the screen I put in your Usertalk ? --Kirochi

I didn't notice your post here until pretty recently. I apologize for the wait. Here's the screenshot for all to enjoy:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/screenshots/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=434&Set=0

By the way, does anybody know what the blade seen here is called and where I can get one? In addition to the player pictured here, they're also carried by the Cenarion Circle guards in Moonglade. Also, is it a "sword", "polearm", or what?--Illidan Rocks 08:52, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

Yes, it was me, and never mind ^^ I just dont know the name of the weapon. You may find it by browsing the web about exotic weapons (I think I've already seen this kind of weapon in some fighting movies)--Kirochi 09:42, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

yonmwar - relax guys... i dont think that by making Illidan a raid boss that means he wont appear in the 4th wc. i mean thrall is killable too right?

Um ... It's not the same thing. Bosses are meant to be killed, not faction leaders :P--Kirochi 11:31, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

If memory serves, there was a post on the RP forums regarding the Blood Elf/Kael issue. The best thing that could be came up with was Kael became corrupt. We're not talking any corruption, but a corruption beyond what the Blood Elves would tolerate. To the above poster asking about the weapons, those are called "glaives". The link you've supplied is a dead link now, but if it is what I think it was, it would be the Twins Blades of Azzinoth. Also, Illidan will not be "killable" you're merely just "stopping" him, for lack of a better term.

Damn you Blizzard!!!! (Illidan Rocks' rant)

Anybody who's a fan of the Alien movies knows what a disappointment the third one was. Of the four characters who survived at the end of the second movie, two of them were killed off-camera in a crash landing. Every good character deserves a memorable death scene, and this is true of all fiction, whether it's a motion picture or a computer game.

It appears that Blizzard, rather than killing off Illidan in a manner similar to Grom Hellscream or Uther Lightbringer, is going to get rid of him by reducing him from an interesting character to nothing more than a one-dimensional mob and source of XP and phat lewt.

This upsets me, both because I felt sorry for Illidan and also because I rooted for him when he fought against Arthas, Tichondrius, and Magtheridon. Like many, I was disappointed with how quickly the fight between him and Arthas in TFT ended and I was glad when I found out that he was still alive. Now I find, to my chagrin, that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom appears determined to give him a death that's even more ignoble.

If this is true, there will be no rematch with Arthas. No climactic battle against Malfurion. No last-minute change of heart resulting in a noble sacrifice like Grom. Not even a novel telling the tale in the manner of Orgrim Doomhammer or Medivh.

What's next? Are they going to kill off Thrall by having him trip, fall down, get stung by a scorpid and die from the poison? How about Jaina? Let's have her choke to death on an apple.

I apologize for the sarcasm, but such a memorable character deserves a much more memorable end. Having Gul'dan and Doomhammer die the way they did was somewhat forgiveable, since when both characters were introduced in Warcraft II there were no cinematic cutscenes in the game. Neither character had any lines. We'd only read about Doomhammer's actions and received orders from him before each mission, and the only familiarity we had with Gul'dan was from reading his journal in the game manual.

Killing anybody who appeared in Warcraft III is different altogether. Everybody here has had "screen time", for lack of a better way to describe it, and to have them die at the hands of a bunch of anonymous soldiers is just wrong. It would be like ending the third Spider-Man movie with him beating the bad guys, saving everybody, and then having Mary Jane open the newspaper the next day and see an article about him having been fatally shot by some anonymous punk (the shooting itself having happened off camera).

In short, this sucks monkey balls. Illidan's death should not be less memorable than Naisha's, FFS, and that's the way it seems to be shaping up right now.--Illidan Rocks 13:32, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)

I must say, I agree. (Though the whole Jaina-apple thing would be poetic if Arthas or Kael had to revive her in a fairy-tale-esque sort of way). Reducing Illidan to a raid boss is a bit demeaning. But is Nefarian, son of an Aspect, can be reduced to such, who knows? Unless reincarnation is introduced, and Illidan doesn't die until an epic showdown with Kil'Jaeden in WarCraft IV! let's hope, anyway. -Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper

Currently, I'm hoping for at least a way for him to raidable but not killed... Maybe a big AoE stun for the entire raid party while he runs away or goes deeper into a part of the Black Citadel that you can't get to.

I suggest posting on the forums a bunch of times. People will probably join the pro-Illidan bandwagon once they realize that Blizz may kill him off in a raid. Hey, if Blizzard will cave when a bunch of people complain about a pixel bra, they might listen to us, too. If all else fails and he DOES get killed in a raid, he'll probably end up with a book. --Kakwakas 20:07, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)

I did start a thread on the site, actually, and you can read it here if you have time to kill:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7009633&p=1&tmp=1

There might be reason for hope. In the thread somebody wrote this...

Alrighty aparently nobody here was at Blizcon. During the Quest and Lore discussion one of the players asked the head lore desinger "Are people actualy gonna 'Kill' Illidan?"

He responded with and I quote "You don't so much 'Kill' him as much as you sorta get in his way."''

Now for the potential bad news (I say potential because it might not be true). Somebody pointed out that WoW has sold MUCH better than Warcraft III and that therefore Blizz might not even bother putting out a Warcraft IV. This person hypothesizes that if Blizz releases any more RTS games, they'll be Starcraft sequels instead. --Illidan Rocks 07:29, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)

Well, even so, Warcraft III and TFT sold disturbingly well, on the Battle Chest it says 7 million copies. While WoW has given them more money, I don't think it requires rocket science for them to figure out that Warcraft IV would give them a huge lot of money if it even sells close to as well.

Amen to THAT! at thr risk of sounding unfaithful to Illidan, I'm dying to know what the hell Duran actually is!-Ragstorm, Head Bookkeeper

Ragstorm? --Fandyllic

It's called a typographical error, Fandyllic. I'm using an iBook G4 12-inch laptop (small keys) granted from the NYCDOE, and I have a typing speed three times faster than average writing speed. cut a guy some slack!. Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper

I agree, there's nothing more annoying than when only a handful of people get to see how a major character dies. For who is going to be able to experience Illidan's (if he dies) and Kel'Thuzad's (not so sure about this one either) death? Only those of us with enough time and money on our hands to buy WoW, purchase gaming time, and level a character up to level 60 and spend 12 hours a day raiding end-game dungeons. Kinda unfair towards us who don't have time and/or money on our hands, huh? - Narradin 13:15, 7 July 2006 (EDT)

Look, the way the game of WOW goes, if you KILL some important lore character, it DOESN'T MEAN HE IS DEAD. If I charge into all the Alliance Capitals and kill all their racial leaders, it doesn't affect the lore. Officially they do not die. I believe this applies to characters like Kel'Thazad, Illidan so and so forth. They let us fight them and defeat them but they do not get killed off. All I hope is that they don't give Illidan a death animation. Lets hope once he is defeated, he summons some stuff and the last part of the quest would be to escape alive... --Invin Dranoel 00:24, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

There's no need to worry about Illidan. He's not going to die by hands of anonymous warriors. He still has to do something with his last, unfinished task - killing the Lich King. After being defeated (not killed!) he may even consider "anonymous people" strong enough to help him fight Arthas in Northrend Expansion? Or face the wrath of Kil'jaeden - probably has nothing to do with player characters, but Kil'jaeden is probly good enough to be "the slayer of the great hero that is Illidan", dontcha think? :) --Sul'jin 18:41, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Cease and Desist

OK, I see the point of a quote page and pictures. But at this rate, the quotes are in danger of overcoming the actual article. Not only is his quote section about three times as long as anyone else's, but there are so many pictures that the article iself has become much longer in most browsers (my own now takes twice as long to load the Illidan page than most others). Can a couple of us discuss how many pictures and quotes we really need here? Ragestorm 18:16, 26 Feb 2006 (EST)

The only Illidan quote that is actually "memorable," in my opinion, is the one from the Frozen Throne opening cinematic... the rest are just... meh --Adonzo 02:29, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Well, it's cleaned up a bit now- when I posted that, almost every one of Illidan's lines from the game and far too many from the novels were there- this page's only problem now may be a biography that is too detailed. --Ragestorm 08:22, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Killable Illidan

"At this time (Feb. 7th, 2006), all signs point to Illidan being killable by players in the Black Citadel instance. Fans of the character (such as User:Illidan Rocks and User:Illidan's Lieutenant) can only hope he is able to cheat death a second time for an appearance in Warcraft IV and that he hasn't become irredeemably evil or mad (see discussion page for User:Illidan Rocks editorializing on this)." -- Illidan Rocks 10:04, 7 February 2006

While i agree with the above statment, i have also heard rumors that after you get him to X% he will flee and leave a chest, similar to domo, -Maby he is the domo to someone more powerful? Kil'Jaden anyone? --Nataku 08:42, 22 March 2006

Kil'Jaeden? With Archimonde dead and Sargeras kinda, you know, dead/incorporeal/whoknows, Kil'Jaeden is practically the overlord of the entire Burning Legion. He orchestrated the corruption of the Orcs, the creation of the Scourge. He is the brains behind the Legion. Making him a simple raid boss would be as bad as making Illidan one. --Adonzo 03:53, 29 March 2006 (EST)

i dont think killing illidan would me a good idea, he is the strongest after arthas and the only one who is strong enough to even be any kind of enemy to arthas...

there are plenty of villains in between Illidan and Arthas. A lot of it is speculation, but I'm sure Queen Azshara is in between there, possibly whatever is troubling the Emerald Dream, maybe Deathwing (if he's still alive, and I can't imagine that blizzard would pass a character like that by) and there's still another three Old Gods roaming around with somewhat unknown levels of power. Illidan is a great character, definately in my top five fav's, but a lot of people are making him out to seem invincible... there's a lot of people out there that are stronger. Maarz

I think you'll find that Deathwing is above Arthas in power, though I think you're right about Azshara.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:40, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Deathwing isn't stronger than Arthas, sorry. Archimonde is probably more powerful than Deathwing. Kil'jaedan is more powerful than Archimonde. and since Kil'jaedan lost control of the Lich King while he was still imprisoned because Ner'zhul became too powerful for Kil'jaedan to control, now that Arthas fused with him, skyrocketing both the power of the Lich King as one, Arthas is stronger than Kil'jaedan most likely. so Arthas is definately more powerful than Deathwing. I can only see Sargeras, the titans, and the old gods as being more powerful than Arthas really. Nicolai Stormrage 16:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Limited space?

Before adding a continuation of the half-finished War of the Ancients trilogy story I received a message warning me that the page was 30kb and that some browsers have trouble editing pages that large. Should I be watching how long I make this entry, and others?--Illidan Rocks 14:50, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

To respond, I must ask the question: do you intend to reproduce such detail of "alternate" (I hate the fact that no one knows if its canon or not) events on the pages of Tyrande, Furion, Krasus, Rhonin, Alextrasza, Ysera and Nozdormu? I think what I'm trying to ask is: it is really vital to have that much information on just Illidan? This is WoWWiki, not IllidanWiki. I apoligize if I sound irritable, but I noticed a similar thing a few months back- apparently Illidan's entire script was reproduced under "memorable quotes" and I got a warning when I tried to add a Frozen Throne note. Ragestorm 22:11, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

My answer to that would be no...partly because it's a lot of work just to write the story of what happened with Illidan, partly because a lot more stuff happened to Malfurion and therefore his section would be something like twice as lengthy...partly because I don't remember what everything that happened to Malfurion as well as I do Illidan and, to a lesser extent, Tyrande...and partly because the responsibility for the Malfurion and Tyrande entries were given to other Book Keepers; as I recall I got Illidan, Kael and Vashj. As for Rhonin and Krasus they aren't mentioned in the "original" history so their only story is the alternate one, which has probably already been written about here, and there's only so much you can write about what happened with the Aspects, particularly Nozdormu who spent the entire trilogy working his scaly ass off to hold reality together and wasn't available to get involved in the conflict with the Legion.

I was considering putting something about Malfurion's relationship with his brother into the Malfurion entry however, and it might answer your question about whether this stuff is canon.

You see, in the conversation with Remulos, Malfurion says "I fear that the time may soon come that our bond is tested and it will not be as it was at the Well in Zin-Azshari." At the Well in the changed history involving Rhonin, Krasus & Brox, the brothers worked together to defeat the Legion. In the original history, they were on opposite sides. So it appears that the Malfurion in the game is referring to the changed history. It also appears that this Malfurion is sad for his brother and isn't looking forward to fighting him, which is more consistent with the forgiving and patient Malfurion portrayed in the trilogy rather than the self-righteous and angry Malfurion portrayed in WC3 and TFT.

If space is a problem, I can always write a short note saying that things went much differently for Illidan in the changed history and then create an entire new page devoted to that, which I can link to this entry. I could copy the entirety of the text I've added so far concerning the trilogy of books into that new entry, if that would work better.--Illidan Rocks 13:33, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

that sounds like the best solution; I think we should consider a blow-by-blow account of the alternate War and link it to the relevant characters; as for canon, I think that the only thing that would confirm or deny is if Jarod Shadowsong (Maiev's brother) turns up at some point, or if Shandris or Tyrande mentions him- the same thing goes for Krasus and Rhonin. We've been getting a lot of problems with major character length- in addition to Night Elf leaders, see Arthas. Trust me, that on'es painful. I think we just have to reorganize most of them. --Ragestorm 14:28, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Do we need so much pics?--K ) (talk) 18:16, 18 November 2006 (EST)

Don't blame me, blame the people who think Illidan is the best guy ever. (User:Illidan Rocks excepted, of course). Cut what you think is redundant- be it pictures or the notes. --Ragestorm 20:59, 18 November 2006 (EST)

Done. But still think the page's abit long. What is this page becoming when Illidan'll be ingame and thousands of ingame info and strategies will come to this page ? Separate Illidan (lore) and Illidan, like Kel'thuzad ?--K ) (talk) 04:13, 19 November 2006 (EST)

I guess. I'd prefer Illidan Stormrage and Illidan (in-game), myself, since the character existed long before the game event and should have his biography on a non-parenthetical page. --Ragestorm 10:39, 19 November 2006 (EST)

Satyrs ?

Where do we learn that he rules over Satyrs ? oO In the campaign mission where he gets to destroy the Skull of Gul'dan there are some hostile Satyr mobs and they seem eager to kill him as much as the others ... And I can't find anywhere else that he is their leader.--Kirochi 17:31, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Terror of the Tides: Rise of the Naga. A Shadowdancer (or was it a Hellcaller?) told Maiev that "Lord Illidan ordered us to kill anyone entering this place, and we shall." Wait, maybe that was in Invasion of Kalimdor in reference to Tichondrius... anyway, whatever the evidence, there actually isn't much. It makes a bit of sense lore-wise, as they used to be Highbourne. --Ragestorm 17:06, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

Ok ... But Illidan could have got these servants because he served the Burning Legion, so no real reason. Thanks !--Kirochi 17:13, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, the satyrs' loyalty is primarily to the Legion, just like the naga's loyalty is primarily to Azshara and the Old Gods. Since Illidan was acting on Kil'jaeden's behalf in that first Frozen Throne campaign, Kil'jaeden probably ordered the satyrs to help him out. Now that Kil'jaeden is displeased with Illidan, those same satyrs are probably seeking his capture or death today.--Illidan Rocks 14:01, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

I figured this out (I'm that smart), that's why the sentence "Is the ruler of the Satyr of Azeroth" almost made me choke.--Kirochi 16:07, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Illidan, after accepting his mission from Kil'jaeden, summoned the Naga to help him in his task. He probly promised them to take vengeance upon the night elves, whom they hate so much. He might have promised the same to the Satyr. Moreover, Illidan is now a demonic hybrid, serving the leader of the Burning Legion, so he might have used his new position to acquire Satyr allies. Both Illidan and the Satyr have at least two things in common - they all were night elves in the past and they serve the Burning Legion (or served - Illidan has failed his master, and now hides from him, but the Satyr doesn't have to know that). --Sul'jin 19:14, 28 December 2006 (EST)

My theory on why we'll have to fight Illidan

From what I can recall, Outland is sort of an interdimensal hub; if the people of Azeroth want to get to some other world occupied by the Legion, for the purpose of taking the fight to the demons there, they have to travel to Outland and open the portal to the world in question. Opening one of the portals would probably make it just as easy for the Burning Legion's forces to get into Outland, and that would present a threat to Illidan; after all, he doesn't want scores of demons to storm into Outland where they can possibly capture him and take him to Kil'Jaeden, right? So he'll do whatever he can to stop those portals from being opened.

Now for a non sequitur: if that sculpture of Illidan is any indication, he is never...getting laid...again...EVER.--Illidan Rocks 02:04, 12 September 2006 (EDT)

Nope, he will still get Succumbus and other hot demon girls... --Invin Dranoel 00:26, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Wouldn't bet on it; I hear they only go for guys with tails.--Ragestorm 00:58, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

And Dark Iron dwarves, too.--Illidan Rocks 12:59, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Well having seen everyone argueing about Illidan I happened to come across this video http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7283435429228075951&q=illidan it looks like Illidan, but it is in Onyxia's Lair? --Jammidodger 08:51, 3 January 2007 (EST)

looks like a dreadlord to me, you can't really tell.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:59, 3 January 2007 (EST)

I have a bad feeling about this...

Some time ago, I said that if Illidan wound up doing something really, really horrible then I would change my user name to something besides "Illidan Rocks." The logic being, of course, that if he becomes as bad as or worse than Arthas, he will no longer rock.

More recently, I see that the Coilfang Reservoir instance includes slave pens full of downtrodden draenei forced to serve the naga. This isn't totally unexpected since Vashj is known to be quite a bitch. Who knows whether she's acting with Illidan's approval or not, since most people seem to agree that her loyalty is primarily to Azshara and then to Illidan. But it does make me wonder just how cruel the dude known in Kaldorei circles as "The Betrayer" might be these days.

When I say I'm going to do something I intend to do it, but in this case it seems that I can't change my user name. I can change just about everything else, but not the user name. So is there a way to alter it that I've missed, or will I be "Illidan Rocks" until the end of time (or wowwiki, whichever ends first)? Hopefully my boy Illidan won't let me down, but if he does I'd like to be able to keep my word.--Illidan Rocks 18:10, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

Kewl. I'll put a note.--K ) (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2006 (EDT)