Talk:Clerics of Northshire

God

I'm unable to find anything in the Warcraft 1 manual that mentions the Holy Light as is cited. What passage is being referred to?--Northshire 00:51, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

The only references to God I can find are "God speed" and the description of the Farseeing spell as "seeing as God does." The source of the Healing power, for example is instead described as "the spirit of humanity itself," while Holy Lance comes from "the pure essence of the casters heart, mind, and soul".--Northshire 00:58, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

In addition, the general description of the clerics states the source of the power is "Their ability to channel the spirit of humanity through their bodies". I'm moving this excerpt to the talk page until a supporting citation can be provided: (who is said to be the source of holy and light powers). --Northshire 12:35, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

I took the liberty of editing the article to more Lore like form. Also,the church building's sound in Warcraft II, "Deo Gracias", is an likely easter egg for people who understand Latin, as Latin plays no further role in the Warcraft Universe. Regards, --Theron the Just 23:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Possible Explanation of Belief Retcon?

I was reading the "Church of the Holy Light" article and noticed the following: "Some claim that the Third War was the best thing that could have happened to the Church. The Church finally gave up its old habits and started to change. Some of the younger priests suggested that the Church take this opportunity to rebuild itself, setting aside many of its older traditions and starting new ones. They claimed that the Church had strayed from the path of the Three Virtues and needed to pare back down to essentials. According to these younger priests, their elders had lost touch with the Light and it was time to reclaim that holy communion.

There are rumors of a break within the Church itself, dating to about that time. It is said that the members are fighting amongst themselves about whether to cling to the old traditions or forge new ones. It didn't help that most of the Church's texts were lost and so people have been writing new ones — some of them writing about the same things but without comparing notes or checking sources. "

Could this be alluding to the shift from believing in God to becoming a non-theistic religion? I've been looking over the information for the Warcraft III retcon that the Church of the Holy Light is non-theistical despite the first two games clearly describing the Northshire clerics and others as being "in God's service." It doesn't seem to make any sense at all, outstide of Blizzard attempting to change the series' religious beliefs to something more alien and less likely to offend real people's beliefs. This info is the only thing I've seen that might address it in-universe.

Could the "break" have been the split between Holy Light followers that believed in God and ones that were non-theistical? Maybe the younger, more liberal priests cut out all of the belief in God and just kept the values and trappings of the old church. Does anyone else have any further information? Martin 05:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)mdwall

Nontheist is a term used to describe many secular humanists, not a belief that does not require a diety. The split wasn't those who believed in the "God" and the "nontheistical" as you put it. It's simply, I'm gessing the idea that the Church of the Holy Light was enarmored with old traditions. Doomhand talk 02:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I am a little confused

Northshrie is a place of Humans; does this mean that the Clerics of Northshire were all Humans? Or could, for example, Dwarf Priests be a part of this community? TeeSon5 (talk) 14:00, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

They were very likely all humans, simply because it was a human institution in a human kingdom in a time before their alliance with the dwarves. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:10, November 23, 2009 (UTC)