Talk:Alignment
Explanation
I've added this to the Wowwiki because of a request for definitions in WowwikiIrc. But this information is not meant to be tossed into every article, in order to define characters "alignments". The terms sound too awkward in normal lore articles, and get too much into game-mechanics, IMO.Baggins
I was thinking about this recently. I used to wonder what alignment a Holy Paladin or the Argent Dawn would be categorized under, but it seemed it was more of a Dungeons and Dragons subject. I have recently seen a lot of alignment editing to creatures and people on here though. Rolandius (talk) 06:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well, class alignments are actually pretty easy to get. Most player races do not have alignments, unless they have also been given race/monster rules, to be used as NPCs in the pen and paper game.Baggins (talk) 06:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Where do you find that information? The Wikipedia entry for alignment is where I remember reading up on it. They didn't really have WoW stats, but they had of course Dungeon and Dragons information, and they did have things like: what would Indiana Jones be or what would Batman be. There is also a test that tells you what alignment you are after answering a series of questions. Rolandius (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Pretty much the only source for alignments is the RPG series. Ingame npc opinions in WoW of other factions is not reliable.Baggins (talk) 07:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Update
I have added alignment section to a couple of infoboxes (faction, dragonflight, and race), because it is far less obtrusive there. However, it should only be used if it is quoted from an official source, and corrected cited.
It is not to be used for fan interpretation, where no official alignement has been given. This is mandatory due to the fact that a fan interpretation of this sort would go against our NPOV policies.
The same goes for most infobox cells, such as population, capital, etc. They too must originate from citeable sources.
In the future we might add alignment cell to npc infobox. I haven't figured out how to do one for classes yet.Baggins (talk) 06:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- How does an organization change alignment? I thought they usually stayed the same alignment. Do they just slowly change thier ideals or "mission"? Rolandius
(talk - contr) 04:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, if they change the way they behave and what ideals they hold themselves to, an organization can change alignments.--Austin P (talk) 15:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Scarlet Crusade as Lawful Good
Ok, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but it is probably worth mentioning that the Scarlet Crusade as a whole (Balnazzar and Mal'Ganis aside) can be considered Lawful Good from a certain point of view.
First off, have a look at what the original WOW manual says about humans. Xenophobic, racist, all that. The Scarlet Crusade seems to hate all non-human races, particularly the Forsaken. The lack of other races in their membership is the most telling. The Argent Dawn, on the other hand, could be considered race-traitors (yes, I am borrowing jargon from groups like the KKK for this discussion) because they actually accept Orcs, Forsaken, Elves, Dwarves, and basically anyone who wants to oppose the Lich King.
Furthermore, we all know what happened to the Stormwind shaman trainer during TBC and Lich King; she was practically exiled to an island in the moat, when she could've been allowed into the garden with the druids.
Second, the Light doesn't really care who uses its power, or how, as long as they use it right. Compare the Blood Knights of early TBC, the Scarlet Crusade, and the Knights of the Silver Hand. All three can arguably be said to use the same power, and yet two of them kick metaphorical babies. The early Blood Knights particularly skipped any ritual abasement or whatever that the Scarlet Crusade and Silver Hand might have used, and went straight to kicking babies.
And then there's a little thing about Lawful Good that people like to ignore: Lawful Good cannot acknowledge the existence of any other alignment except Chaotic Evil. After all, that which is Lawful is Good, and that which is Good is Lawful. A being which claims to be Chaotic Good cannot be so, because if it were Good, it would be Lawful. The same for Lawful Evil; after all, if it were Lawful, it would be Good. Neutral is just what people claim to be right before knifing you in the back. Are we seeing a parallel here to how the Scarlet Crusade behaves?
--Darth603 (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Lists of lists?
Do sections 2 through 6 *really* need to be here? Seems pretty self-evident to me that if an alignment has <word> in its name, it is <word>-aligned... Deltwalrus (talk) 18:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- You might have to ask an admin about it. I think it was put there for ease of use. Someone interested in RPG could look by Good, Evil, Lawful, Chaotic, and Neutral. Remember, some of the alignments are in more than one category. Rolandius
(talk - contr) 03:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough, but I resent your characterization of the edit I made as vandalism. Please refactor that comment and assume good faith with your fellow editors: We're only trying to help. :-) Thanks! Deltwalrus (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Helpful Information
I found this one website that I thought might be helpful for this article. It has a bunch of stuff taken from older D&D books that could be useful as far as this article is concerned. --Super Bhaal (talk) 00:08, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
Alignment Table
| Illidan Stormrage | ||||||||||
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| Title | The Betrayer, Lord of Outland | |||||||||
| Gender | Male | |||||||||
| Race | Unknown | |||||||||
| Alignment |
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I would like to propose using the following table as a quick visual aid for the alignment section in the npcbox. The colors in each cell represents a gradation from pure green (Lawful Good; upper-left) to pure red (Chaotic Evil; bottom-right). White text represents the character's alignment.
| LG | LN | LE |
| NG | N | NE |
| CG | CN | CE |
Usage example on the right side with Illidan.
Korval (talk) 16:34, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I like the idea, but isn't it too big?
Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 16:35, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
- How about a single strip?
LG LN LE NG N NE CG CN CE
- Korval (talk) 16:43, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Nicer :)
- Can we have smaller cubes (height)? or does that make them unreadable?
- Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 16:46, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I can't make the cell height smaller but I can make the text smaller. Does this work? Korval (talk) 16:52, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
LG LN LE NG N NE CG CN CE
Not bad, not bad. Gebezis 12:05, August 31, 2010 (UTC) The alignments are already explained here, we don't need to clutter the infoboxes. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:27, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
- I think it looks bright, garish, and utterly unnecessary, especially since this is a piece of information that we only have for characters that were in the RPG books, and even then there's a considerable amount of discussion on how accurate it really is. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:30, August 31, 2010 (UTC)