User talk:Celess

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Welcome to Wowpedia!

Hello, Celess22, and welcome to Wowpedia, the Warcraft wiki! Thank you for your contributions, and we heartily encourage you to continue contributing!

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wowpedian! Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~) as this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, or need help, just ask on the relevant talk page, or visit the site forums. Again, welcome! — foxlit (talk) 13:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

"Syncing" UI documentation

Please be careful when "syncing" UI documentation from wowwiki -- since the move to Wowpedia two years ago, it has been mostly unmaintained, and thus may be incomplete or even plain wrong (as in the case of the #showcooldown "metacommand", which only exists insofar as #showclearlynotaseparatemetacommand does). This unfortunately makes it difficult to merge the two versions and come up with something that is true.

If you're just porting your own changes over, I would like to encourage you to just make them here to begin with. — foxlit (talk) 13:27, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up :) I actually reconciled what was new both ways, and updated your Wiki. There were out-of-date elements on your wiki and long standing formatting issues. The bulk of the foxlit corrections to my edit were actually changes to the existing page before my edit, just in case it wasnt clear which were changes and what existed before. Although as far as the #show, many people incorrectly believe it is a command and I should have marked that or left it out. Sorry for that. If you have specific issues with my changes please let me know, otherwise please dont mention or make me a party to any political consideration or the like. Reguards. Celess22 (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The only issue was the re-introduction #showcooldown (which doeas not actually exist as a separate entity -- it's just #show). I merely wanted to illustrate the difficulty of merging with an out-of-date documentation source -- it's difficult to tell which "new" content is actually correct, and merging might add old problems back into an article.
Please note that if you're copying anything other than your own contributions across the wikis, the CC BY-SA license requires that you attribute the work done by other editors -- see for instance WP:COPY. — foxlit (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I dont see specific mention of copying between the two special-case sites on this site. That would do well, in my oppinion, toward the 'due dilligence' on Wowpdia's part, and considering 99.999% of the original text was not generated by either party. Having specifics would make things more clear, and I would say that the bulkof my changes were formatting and my own contribution, and was not strictly a copy. My method was exactly this. I sat with a diff tool, to ensure that I would maintain Wowpedia text as is, and then edited the wowpedia text as to ensure emote formatting. I also then by-hand added maybe /lfm etc... The single /show line was verbatum and added in isolation. Other block text was my original writing on both. I also used 'replace' for '* ' to ': ' on the Wowpedia side both to make it easier to see what was changed between the two, and because I flet that this is more of an end-user document than a real developer doc, and its much easier to read without the bullets. I then pasted the isolated Wowpdia edit into the edit box on Wowpedia and saved the changes, going back the edit to fix verbiage and other formatting through the Wowpedia facility. Would you like me to make a citation that portions CC me, wowwiki and wowpedia on wowpedia? I went and researched the information and some text is verbatum. Mostly I was trying to do a courtesy to you, to update and reformat parts that had been irritating for years. I would say there was less than 0.1% text of more than 4 consecutive wordsoriginating from Wowpedia, if you dont count prefork text.Celess22 (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Project:COPY applies to anyone reproducing content from Wowpedia on any other site. I imagine wowwiki has a similar policy. There really isn't any sort of special case involved here.
If you're just copying your own contributions, you do not need to do anything to satisfy the license -- the intention is to provide attribution for the people writing the content, which in the case of your own contributions is satisfied by the page history. However, if you were to copy the entirety of MACRO guildfinder to wowwiki, you would need to include attribution per Project:COPY, as the content being copied was written by other editors.
To be clear, I don't think any special attribution is required to be included as part of your changes to Macro API: it is, as you say, mostly your own and/or minor formatting tweaks. — foxlit (talk) 20:31, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The two pages that were added to WowWiki were in the process of being sited. They are now. If you are eluding to something specific, please just tell me. Again I'm trying to contribute and be fair, not my fight.

Id say yes, my oppinion, you want corrections that come from or could be percieved to come from WowWiki to fit legal requirements, I think it would be good to state specifics, just as was done for Blizzard as a part of due dilligence. There is nothing clearly stating what the rules are for the "importing" case nor any helpful verbiage about how to mark those. Celess22 (talk) 20:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

We generally do not expect or encourage people to copy/paste content from other sites to Wowpedia, so providing specific instructions on how to do so seems counter-productive. It must therefore be up to the editor doing the importing to know the requirements imposed by the site they're importing from (and, honestly, we'd prefer it if they wrote original content here instead of copying someone else's). — foxlit (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

"Please note that if you're copying anything other than your own contributions across the wikis, the CC BY-SA license requires..." Feels like a conversaion with "Siri". I tease..:) Celess22 (talk) 21:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Macro page names

On guildfinder: I'm trying to move pages out of these separate pseudo-namespaces. As you can see in Category:Macro API, there a number of pages which I've moved in sight of this goal. (I'd like to move the API page names also, but things go slowly due to my own partial inactivity and the fact that I'm a one man moving crew.) Leave me a comment on my talk page when you've left a reply here. --Sky (talk) 00:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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