Talk:Frost vrykul
Is Thorim actually a Vry'kul?
I had understood from the quest line and familial relationship with Loken that he is not a frost Vry'kul himself, he just looks like one. It seems like both Loken and Thorin are from something like a "Titan-lite" type species.
Of course, the Titans' habit of making a wide variety of similar creatures of various sizes and configurations though processes other than biological reproduction make questions of "what species is X?" kind of ambiguous. Vyzen2 (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- What I wonder is wether or not the Frost Vry'kul became what they are due to the Lich King's influence of if they were already Frost types prior to that. If the second true, I wonder how Sea, Frost and normal Vrykul are related and if they were made as they are by the Titans.
- Only after I have these questions solved do I want to get in to an analysis of Thorim himself.
--Richeron [T | C] 20:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- I would give the Vrykul of Brunnhildar_Village as evidence that the frostiness of the Frost Vrykul is not from the Lich king. They (at least if they are to be believed) stayed loyal to Thorim (while Valkyrion switched loyalties to the Lich king) but they are still frosties. I speculate that Thorim is either the source of the frostiness, or the Titans originally made the frosties and Thorim is an archetype. Vyzen2 (talk) 17:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Brunnhildar vs. Valykrion
I agree with Sandwichman that the characterization in the second paragraph is off. I do not think that Valkyrion vrykul were competing in the Hyldsmeet at all and that any vrykul who would want to compete would consider them traitors.
I interpreted the two populations in the storm peaks as:
Brunnhilar Village Vrykul: Loyal to Thorim. Compete in the Hyldsmeet (and I think Hyldnir is just a title for someone who is competing in the Hyldsmeet). The winner gets to hang out with Thorim (and since Thorim seems to be the only suitable non-slave male in the zone, I'm guessing all this "rule by Thorim's side" talk is just a euphemism for something else entirely).
Valkyrion Vrykul: Used to be Loyal to Thorim. Currently have replaced him with Arthas as their deity of choice. Do not compete in the Hyldsmeet. Don't have any particular inclination to visit Thorim. They themselves are not undead, but they aspire to a particular kind of undeath, specifically becoming Val'kyr.
I don't think there is any evidence that the goings on at Jotunheim have any particular significance to the frosties that they don't have to all other vrykul (the Jotunheim Vrykul don't seem to be frosties). I haven't done a good chunk of the quests in Icecrown, though, so I can't say too much specific. Vyzen2 (talk) 00:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Living males
Are there any male frost vrykul that are alive, or at least strongly implied to be alive? Like around Jotunheim?--SWM2448 20:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
"Earthen" Vrykul?
I have to wonder if it's remotely possible that the Frost Vrykul are actually the pre-Flesh versions. This is, of course, entirely speculation (which can go under such a section on the page) without much credible sourcing, but given how Frost and normal Vrykul seem very separated from one another, it almost feels as though they may be to Vrykul what the Earthen and Mechagnomes are to the dwarves and gnomes, respectively. We know that the Old Gods cursed the Vrykul with human children, but that almost seems separated entirely from the Curse of Flesh, as the Vrykul were flesh at the time and it wouldn't stand to reason to think the Titans did make one bio-organic race, while all the rest were mineral-based living statues.
I'm sure Legion will clear this up, with Blizz finally bringing Vrykul back into the story and placing much more focus on them this time around, but it does seem likely that the Titans could have used a sort of never melting ice from Northrend (perhaps even from the Icecrown glacier prior to the Lich King's presence upon it) in their creation, rather than stone, obsidian or mechanical parts. Otherwise, it seems curious that a group of a seed race would be perpetually elemental as they are. Kvaldir are quite clearly a sort of spectral offshoot, as they appeared as a result of the disturbed dead in the Fjord.
And the women of Brunnhildar village were in constant contact with Thorim, while the other Vrykul seemed entirely detached from the Titanic guardians of Ulduar. Brunnhildar is also entirely female, with males used as work slaves (even being a T Rated game, there's no mention that the frost vrykul women here used the men to reproduce, as they even took goblin men to work their mines), which could suggest that like the other earthen races before the Curse of Flesh, they are immortal without the need to reproduce. Myrthuil (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Interesting theory. The Lore Keeper of Norgannon does imply that the Titans actually normally create flesh-and-blood creatures, and that the earthen were the first time they made stone servants ("A cross-section of Azeroth's crust was used as the foundation for the Earthen's synthesis rather than the typical biomass construction foundation used by the Creators.") Makes you wonder about the "Stormforged" vrykul that will apparently be showing up in Legion. --
DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 14:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Ah ha. I figured they'd've touched upon it. A shame, I kinda liked the idea that the Vrykul were ice. Earthen were a cross-section of the crust, mechagnomes were refined Titanium/Titansteel, Tol'vir were Obsidian, etc. The Stormforged certainly just look quite like Earthen skin textures and colors on Vrykul. Guess that totally beats my hypothesis down, unless the Stormforged are actually not their original state but something afterwards akin to Iron Vrykul. Myrthuil (talk) 13:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC)