Talk:Novel guide

When I started this page, I intended that it would be a simple guide for people who don't know where to start when trying to get into the books, but it's gotten far too complicated to fulfill that role anymore. Most people have no idea what you mean when you say "imprint" or "trademark". So this page really needs less jargon and a bit less length. Remember that we already have a list of all the novels on the Sources page. Remember that the key word here is "guide".

--Bevans (FeldmanSkitzoid) 19:01, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

One thing I've noticed with the novel articles is that there isn't a single plot summary of the events detailed in the book, which stands in contrast to many other wikis. Is this an intentional act in order to preserve copyright or something or is it something that people simply haven't got around to? --Hawki 04:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably simply because people haven't gotten around to it, in other cases to prevent spoilers for newly released booksBaggins 04:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, but people are hardly going to be worried about spoilers for books like 'Day of the Dragon' or 'Lord of the Clans' in this day and age --Hawki 04:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome to expand on older books articles if you like :). Like I said people probably just haven't gotten around to them, probably playing too much WoW I suspect, ;).Baggins 05:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I know that on the article page it said that the books can be read in any order for the reason that one story doesn't necessarily lead to another one. But for those that want to try and read it in order, this is my best guess, and anyone is willing to help me correct it: War of the Ancients Trilogy-->Rise of the Horde-->Last Guardian-->Tides of Darkness-->Beyond the Dark Portal/Day of the Dragon (haven't read BtDP yet so not entirely sure which is first)-->Lord of the Clans-->Cycle of Hatred-->Night of the Dragon. jclipps (talk) 01:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

That's the best chronologically (put BtDP before DotD, I think), but quite a bit of the narrative in several later books is almost dependent on the reader knowing things in advance- Rise of the Horde, for example, is very backstoryish, becoming more tragic if one already knows what will happen next. Beyond the Dark Portal really makes sense if one is familiar with the Burning Crusade storyline. WotA may be the first chronologically, but it's a bad choice to read first, as the event of the Third War are discussed in great detail. I've got my suggested order on my userpage, let me know what you think.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

WoW Archives

Will there be Archives for the World of Warcraft books? --NuparuMahnika14:07, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Eventually maybe- the Archives were created so that those who had come on board with WoW could quickly catch up- the first three novels and WotA were primarily made to accompany Warcraft III, back when the Warcraft phenomenon was smaller. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:50, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

World of Warcraft: The Shattering Prelude to Cataclysm

This book is available now in stores. Hardcover, 352 pages

ISBN-10: 1416550747

ISBN-13: 9781416550747

The new upcoming book is the Cataclysm

Move / Merge ?

Since the guide contains not only novels but the whole set of literature, could we move it to (Warcraft's) Literature guide?--Mordecay (talk) 19:46, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree.  Cemotucu (talk contribs) 19:55, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

There are also History of Warcraft and Warcraft universe which contains the same lists. What about to fuse them and make proper redirects? Or divide them properly with one page having literature, second page games (with manuals and videos?)?--Mordecay (talk) 19:46, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a lot of redundancy in these three pages. Probably a good topic for a forum discussion to figure out how and where we wanna merge things. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:22, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

New books

Just a quick heads up, more novels have come out since Illidan, particularly Chronicles. There is also Durotan which is the movie tie-in, so I am not really sure how well it would fit.

I do not have the time nor the knowledge about how wikis work or about the new books, so I won't be doing the edits, but I thought it would be a good a idea to let you guys know. Xxyeiroxx (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Terminology

Hi, is it possible to elaborate more on the text in parenthesis in the chronological lore guide? Some books have listings which say "past begins", others just say "past", it's abit vague. What is the difference? What does "past begins" mean exactly? (For Cycle of Hatred for example). Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AzerothArchives (talk · contr).

Hi, both "past" and "past begins" refer to events in flashback chapters/scenes. Found the edit that added "past begins", and it originally said "past". I'm guessing "past begins" might be interpreted as referring to the earliest known date of multiple flashbacks. Otherwise, no real difference between the two. -- Mordecay (talk) 08:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, very helpful. And for the World of Warcraft listing straight after cycle of hatred, is this referring to just the beginning of WoW? I see there's a "Burning Crusade" section abit further down so imagine it's for the events before that expansion. Is there a specific story or zones or maybe up to a certain level to associate with this time period? I've not played WoW for quite a while but understand there's now two versions! Not sure if that makes a difference here or not.

The World of Warcraft header is for WoW (vanilla/Classic) era, yes, but not necessarily for its "beginning". Both, the War Effort and the present time of War of the Shifting Sands were materials for the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj event which was added in patch patch 1.9.0. The Legends stories under World of Warcraft offer very little or no dates, so they were put under WoW, but could technically be before or after WoW in year 25. While set in WoW zones, they are basically standalone stories and do not reference the in-game questlines; they still generally add to the worldbuilding tho. World of Warcraft: The Comic comes to mind - there's questlines in Stormwind City and Dustwallow Marsh that investigate the background of the disappearance of Varian and deal with Onyxia. Then the Comic follows his story specifically and establishes the canon of most of these events. A general summary of the story in the World of Warcraft era (+expansions) is in World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 3. For the two versions of WoW, Classic currently has the Season of Discovery, which offers new quests and new story details. -- Mordecay (talk) 10:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)