Talk:Crystalsong Forest

In the expansion

Noticed in the zone list Blizzard gave that Crystalsong Forest is not included. So wonder what zone they merged it with or if they are including it at all. If they are merging it with another zone I would imagine it is with Dragonblight considering the forested area they showed in the video. Though on the map at Blizzcon you could tell where the forest would be but guess that could of been Azjol'Nerub also. Leviathon 21:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking it might be part of the Storm Peaks. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 16:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Yea it does look like the Storm Peaks has a bit of a bulge in the south on Blizzards map. Leviathon 17:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

From the more recent videos I think they did merge it with Storm Peaks -- if you loook at the bottom of Storm Peaks in this image you can see that Crystalsong Forest (the trees in lower left cornor above the line for Dragon Blight) is there -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

From the map on the Northrend page i would judge that this zone is part of Azjole Nerube. PErhapse the surface part, with the zone proper being beneith it (and perhapse higher lvl. gadget 21:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Would a section like Grim_Batol#Grim_Batol_(zone) be appropriate here. Maybe meantioning the rpg treats it as its own zone and its geographical boundries as listed in the rpg. Or is the little sentance at the end of the article enough? Just doesn't seem to be doing the rpg justice.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Certainly the RPG info is important it represents hard lore(I.E. Not restricted by game mechanics).Baggins (talk) 21:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Subzone?

The only time CSF is mentioned here is "Of the remaining three zones, all we really know are the names: Crystal Song Forest, The Storm Peaks, and Icecrown Glacier, where the final dungeon, Icecrown Citadel, will appear after launch. Northrend is rounded out by the flying wizard capital, Dalaran, and open-world player-versus-player zone, Lake Wintergrasp." It lists them separate, but in the same sentence. Is this alpha info with a random cite?--SWM2448 21:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The zone names have been known since BlizzCon 2007, if not earlier. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

But why is that page cited as the proof for "Crystalsong Forest will appear in Wrath of the Lich King as a subzone of the Storm Peaks"?--SWM2448 21:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

It's pretty clear its not gonna be its own zone in Wrath. While nothing weve seen can really be called final in any way (Even the map) The Crystalsong as a zone reference in that article can easily be a misunderstanding by the writer. Lets not forget another article calls Alexstrasz a huge High Elf.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Even the alpha map??? A lot of dragons take mortal form, and a supersized elf is simpler to make than a whole new model. I still did not get anwsered, and Warthok just said the ref says the opposite of what the sentance says (confirming what I thought).--SWM2448 21:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Alpha map can change no? Or am I just crazy. What i mean by th elf is that writers of articles often give misinformation for a lack of intimate knowledge of the game. So a writer calling CSF a zone doesn;t nessesarly mean its in. Blizzcon maps, and most everything weve been given about Wotlk doesn't meantion a zone by this name. But nothings final.

On the note of zones i made a little comment here Talk:Zone Please read whenever anyone has time.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The alpha map is bad. I was saying that the info on the page seems to be about the DNP alpha map, not the cite after the sentance. The cite has info that may be misinformed, but says it is a zone none the less. Why would a cite that says that be used to back up a sentance saying the opposite?--SWM2448 21:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The reference very clearly states it is a zone (wtf sandwichman, how can you think otherwise?) and it is a region of it's own in the RPG. Thus current knowledge shows it as being a zone. There is nothing official to show otherwise and removal of that would be speculation. I'm not going to allude to what the exact state of the zone is in alpha, but the alpha doesn't prove one way of the other, yet. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  16:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I take great offence from you blaming me for the confusion I was trying to correct. I admit my initial comment could have been clearer, as it was written assuming the reader knew exactly what the page said at the time it was written, but I thought my subsequent comments clarified it. To recap: The page said "Crystalsong Forest will appear in Wrath of the Lich King as a subzone of the Storm Peaks" and this info was cited with the aforementioned link. We both have stated that this link says otherwise. Zeratul thought I was just listing zones to confirm their names (as I did not include the quote of the page's content in my initial comment), but Warthok did what I perceived as beating around the bush to keep this conflicting info based on information for the alpha. Now that you know this, I hope that my comments fall into context.--SWM2448 20:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

They do, the lack of clear history with all the back and forth and ninja removal of the cite confused the matter. Sorry for blaming you. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  09:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

At the WoW WWI a developer said that Dalaran would be "in the general vicinity of the Crystalsong Forest". It may just be me but that doesn't sound like the terminology someone would use if the Crystalsong Forest was a entire area, and not a sub zone. 777devil777 (talk) 17:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I could say "in the vicinity of Goldshire" without anyone raising questions as to whether that was a zone or not. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

With the latest beta patch, Crystalsong Forest is its own zone with their own map. Perhaps it won't be a part of Storm Peaks after all? g0urra[T҂C] 18:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Crystalline Golems

Are there any crystalline golems in Crystalsong Forest? I mean they're the only other race in lore residing there besides green dragons.   Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 01:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Last we heard there's still nothing in it. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 02:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

There's a grand total of zero NPCs in Crystalsong right now. Part of me hopes it stays that way, but there's at least a belf camp in the north-central part of the zone, so... --k_d³ 06:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Lore vers WoW

Perhaps this article should be split into lore info and whats in-game... Considering nothing from lore (more or less) is here... Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 06:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

'Nothing is here' would suffice, but that does not mean it is different.--SWM2448 22:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm troubled that the lore about the zone seems to be wrong when compared to the game. That I am aware of, there aren't any golems or dragons, but in the game there are ents, dryads, satyrs, and undead Kaldorei. Should these be added as residents? Or is that enough to justify a separate page?  Howbizr^(t·c) 4:43 AM, 17 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Hm. There is a time difference. Lands of Mystery was not an incorrect preview or scrapped design document for WotLK, but a standalone work that had a part that took place in Northrend, before the events of WotLK. Parts could be changed to say "Crystalsong Forest used to..." (or the like), and the WotLK info expanded on.--SWM2448 19:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

That would make sense, especially that the dragons would leave (or perhaps just be killed off) at the end of the battle, especially if the land was cursed/corrupted by the magic left behind.  Howbizr^(t·c) 4:13 PM, 17 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Artbook Information

Just wanted to note that, in The Art of World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King, the caption for Crystalsong Forest says that the ruins in the zone are Highborne, which the high elves and blood elves are quarreling to gain control of. Not really sure where that should be implemented into the article, if at all, since it has yet to make it into the game. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 03:28, December 29, 2009 (UTC)